Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #4

Bmore wrote:Just like the Caylee case... why would you make an accident/self defense look like a murder and do everything you can to conceal it and make it point away from you?

tesstruhart wrote:

Bmore wrote:Just like the Caylee case... why would you make an accident/self defense look like a murder and do everything you can to conceal it and make it point away from you?

You are so right Bmore, however, let us never forget it worked for the child murderer.

Bmore wrote:the talking heads said he needs to keep it short and sweet. he doesn't want to give JM more to drive home. they can only address what each other has already addressed not bring in anything knew...

Bmore wrote:the mixed blood hand print was it the left hand? either way it has her blood so since she even said she had no visiable injury that day other then her left ring finger he'll prove to the jury even though she kept lying about it, the proof is in the print...

Bmore wrote:I watched the ME yesterday on a youtube clip for like 1 1/2 hours... I don't know if I missed anything but some of the knife wounds he was were around 5" deep. Does he know the shape of the knife? is it an outdoors type knife or something from a butcher block? Or was it not mentioned?

Freckles wrote:

CuriousPortlander wrote:Today's cross-examination was so powerful that I wanted to capture everything of importance, so I've spent this evening re-listening to all of today's testimony. Here's what I captured (good summary for those who missed it).

Jodi Arias Trial Day 25

What Mr. Martinez got Jodi to admit today:

- she lied about whether or not Travis had shaved on June 4, 2008
- she lied about sex being uncomfortable because he hadn't shaved
- she lied about who deleted sex photos from camera
- she initiated taking the shower photos
- she directed him to sit down in the shower
- she agreed that her left ring finger was the only visible injury from the murder
- she killed Travis on June 4
- she remembers dropping the knife
- she acknowledges she put the camera in the washing machine
- she admitted she deleted photos after he was dead
- she acknowledges that deleting photos took multiple steps and required thought process
- she acknowledges Travis had to be standing over the sink for it to be covered in his blood
- she acknowledges that she took the glass from under the sink
- she acknowledges that she created the water marks on the boxes
- she acknowledges she had three gas cans in Salinas
- she acknowledges she removed the gun from the crime scene and threw it in the desert
- she believes that she knew at the crime scene that she did something wrong to Travis
- she acknowledges altering the crime scene (took gun, no knife found)
- she acknowledges stabbing Travis with knife
- she acknowledges a lot of the stab wounds, including the head, were in the back
- she acknowledges that if she stabbed him in the back, he was no longer a threat to her
- she agrees that she was the one who slit his throat
- she agrees that she was the one to stab him in the upper torso
- she agrees that she took the rope and threw it away in a dumpster
- she agrees she stopped before the checkpoint (cleaned off blood; took off bloody clothes and changed clothes)
- agrees it would be to her advantage to having changed clothes before getting to checkpoint
- agrees it would be to her advantage to be clean of blood prior to checkpoint
- agrees she made calls before checkpoint
- agrees fog wasn't so heavy to prevent her from calling Ryan Burns and making up story
- agrees she lied about losing cell phone charger
- agrees she lied about getting lost to deceive him
- agrees she still had ability to think to protect herself
- after coming out of fog, she immediately tries to divert attention away from her so police don't think she had anything to do with killing
- agrees that her "fog" is not so deep that she attempts to fabricate evidence
- agrees she went to great lengths to leave voice mail for Travis to throw off police
- admits that all the lies were so she could escape responsibility
- admits visiting Travis was her decision
- admits to covering up by sending a text message to Travis on 6/6/08, after he was dead
- agrees to trying to manipulate the evidence
- agrees she sent an email to Travis on 6/7/08, knowing he was dead, to stage the scene
- agrees Travis was not overbearing sexually
- agrees journal entries don't corroborate her stories of being hit or abused or re: pedophile "issues"

HUGE DAY FOR THE PROSECUTION!!!

3 Star Poster! Nice job!




PS:
I must have missed it! She did admit to putting the camera in the washer?
And deleting the pics from HIS camera?
Wowsy!
Do you know what part of the day she admitted to that?
Really want to hear her say it.

Ann - Tx wrote:
I know some folks have no interest in Statement Analysis and some folks do.

If you have no interest, please disregard the Link. Scroll past this comment. We do not want this to become a pro/con discussion about Statement Analysis.

Brief article and numerous comments:

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/will-jodi-get-away-with-murder.html
Statement Analysis -- 2/27/13

Will Jodi Get Away With Murder?
by Peter Hyatt

Bmore wrote:for those of you more fluent in this case can you clear some stuff up for me? OK she gets there in the early morning(when most people are sleeping), they hang out have sex and sleep... When she arrived were any of the room-mates there? If they were then that would explain why she didn't just kill him then... Do we know if there texts/emails that prove he knew she was coming? I'm torn between she had the thought in her head that she probably will kill him (so took whatever steps needed to conceal the plan) if after the sex he doesn't "re-instate" their relationship which includes her going to cancun and she's going to kill him with all intent but wanted some D first (like one last kiss goodbye) and to eff with him for basically telling her she's not good enough for him... either way it was planned... I'm still not sure that he knew she was snapping pictures of him till the end of the series...

Bmore wrote:I think JM will play it all out for them. With her testimony lasting soooo long alot has gone thru the cracks and when he rebutts (that sounds funny) he can build against everything her side said... Then in closing he'll remind them of all the great things everyone had to say about TA, what the ME had to say about how he died, etc, etc and he gets the last word in...

carlakay wrote:

Bmore wrote:for those of you more fluent in this case can you clear some stuff up for me? OK she gets there in the early morning(when most people are sleeping), they hang out have sex and sleep... When she arrived were any of the room-mates there? If they were then that would explain why she didn't just kill him then... Do we know if there texts/emails that prove he knew she was coming? I'm torn between she had the thought in her head that she probably will kill him (so took whatever steps needed to conceal the plan) if after the sex he doesn't "re-instate" their relationship which includes her going to cancun and she's going to kill him with all intent but wanted some D first (like one last kiss goodbye) and to eff with him for basically telling her she's not good enough for him... either way it was planned... I'm still not sure that he knew she was snapping pictures of him till the end of the series...

well I am no expert but have been following the trial so here is what I believe is known. According to Jodi she arrived at 4am and no one was home but Travis and his dog..he supposedly was waiting for her (I do not believe there has been any actual proof of that presented yet)..they went to sleep and both awoke by 1pm that afternoon..sex involving a rope..nasty photo shoot..she showered..someone washed the bedding..she packed her bags.. took them out to her car.. ate a banana..lay on floor with dog in his office while he attempted to view pics off some cd's..he got pissed cuz they didnt work..threw one which bounced off something before striking her in head..grabbed her wrist..spun her round..yanked down her pants and bent her over the desk..unloaded onto her back and told her to clean up...she suggested another photo shoot of him showering..she dropped the camera..he went beserk and she had no choice but to kill him three times over.

Now remember this is HER story and it has varied with every telling. I,myself,do not believe a single word of it.

Weeziethm wrote:

Bmore wrote:the talking heads said he needs to keep it short and sweet. he doesn't want to give JM more to drive home. they can only address what each other has already addressed not bring in anything knew...

That makes sense. It may also explain why Juan left some tidbits hanging in the air....magazine code, Salinas salon, Matt M., DVD and remote, are some of the ones I can think of. Perhaps Juan did that intentionally to save for rebuttal and not give Nurmi a chance to respond during his re-direct....

Don't know !

WeeBonnie wrote:

Weeziethm wrote:

That makes sense. It may also explain why Juan left some tidbits hanging in the air....magazine code, Salinas salon, Matt M., DVD and remote, are some of the ones I can think of. Perhaps Juan did that intentionally to save for rebuttal and not give Nurmi a chance to respond during his re-direct....

Don't know !

I'm confused- is the prosecution done? I thought he was going to continue questioning Jodi on Monday morning?

Thanks everybody for the great links and analysis- I've missed this site and all of you, and it's great to see a lot of fresh blood here too!

Now I have many things to look up --> "Salinas salon, Matt M., DVD and remote".
All I can say is thank god this woman left forensics and a trail so obvious that she cannot be acquitted.

Bmore wrote:I'm sorry but if some one spins me around and ass rapes me on a desk over CDs I'm sure as sh!t not going to want to have a calvin klein photoshoot with them...

WeeBonnie wrote:I think that it's just another thing that forensically can be proven she lied about- and surely for a self serving reason.
IMHO, he is compiling a list of indisputable lies- large and small to hand off to the jury. Because god know- they all might not understand "circumstantial" evidence but they will understand "lied about all pertinent facts" in the case.

Yknot wrote:I’m confused about something and I’m sure someone here can set me straight.
During the cross today what point was JM trying to get across about the shaving? Was he trying to prove that Jodi lied about Travis not shaving or was the point that the scratchy oral while tied up never happened? Obviously Travis shaved at some point that day, but I got lost why JM was so adamant on proving that point.

Mari 68 wrote:The License Plate:

Jodi took the front one off - just tossed it into the car. She drove with the rear one on. Until right before getting to Travis' house.

After killing him, and in a panic, she pulls over before the check point and hastily puts the rear one back on. Only she put it on upside down. I don't believe she did it purposely to get pulled over - how would she even know to count on that. She had her "Utah alibi" - no need to get pulled over.

she just screwed up by putting it on upside down

And really, she's quite the lazy idiot. Why not fix that license plate and put the front one on???

She just leaves it the way it is and returns the car.

carlakay wrote:

WeeBonnie wrote:I think that it's just another thing that forensically can be proven she lied about- and surely for a self serving reason.
IMHO, he is compiling a list of indisputable lies- large and small to hand off to the jury. Because god know- they all might not understand "circumstantial" evidence but they will understand "lied about all pertinent facts" in the case.

I think the shaving issue was all about time..according to her a whole lot went down between when Travis supposedly woke up to where he is on his back with alot of blood dripping off his neck.

18thcenturylady wrote:

Mari 68 wrote:The License Plate:

Jodi took the front one off - just tossed it into the car. She drove with the rear one on. Until right before getting to Travis' house.

After killing him, and in a panic, she pulls over before the check point and hastily puts the rear one back on. Only she put it on upside down. I don't believe she did it purposely to get pulled over - how would she even know to count on that. She had her "Utah alibi" - no need to get pulled over.

she just screwed up by putting it on upside down

And really, she's quite the lazy idiot. Why not fix that license plate and put the front one on???

She just leaves it the way it is and returns the car.

Don't think so. I agree that she took the front one off BEFORE hitting AZ. (Not illegal to not have one there evidently). AT THE SAME TIME, I believe she VERY DELIBERATELY put the rear one on upside down BEFORE GETTING TO AZ, AND CERTAINLY BEFORE GOING TO T'S HOUSE. (IF SHE WAS STOPPED SHE COULD FEIGN IGNORANCE---"How did that get like that? Oh, I'll fix it officer...",) but in the meantime, while the car was parked in Travis' neighborhood, an upside down plate would be much harder to identify and IT WAS MUCH MORE LIKELY THAT SOMEONE WOULD MIS-READ IT.
If she had put the plates on properly once she left the state of Az., she would never have been stopped, and no one would ever know anything about an upsidedown plate. She is lazy, and actually quite stupid.

Mari 68 wrote:

carlakay wrote:

I think the shaving issue was all about time..according to her a whole lot went down between when Travis supposedly woke up to where he is on his back with alot of blood dripping off his neck.

I think the point about the shaving was where she had told Det. Flores that Travis was NOT the photogenic hound. SHE had to coax him into taking the pics. In fact, she said Travis was NOT comfortable "at first...blah blah blah...he said 'I feel gay'..."

He took her direct testimony "he didn't shave" spiel to show that he was, in fact, shaved - and not for the purpose of showing she lied about him shaving - but to draw attention to her previous words to Flores about how Travis would have NEVER wanted some shower photo shoot.

That B*TCH conned him into the shower with oohs and aahs about his "cut body". Positioned him so he was most vulnerable - went gun and stab happy.

18thcenturylady wrote:

Mari 68 wrote:The License Plate:

Jodi took the front one off - just tossed it into the car. She drove with the rear one on. Until right before getting to Travis' house.

After killing him, and in a panic, she pulls over before the check point and hastily puts the rear one back on. Only she put it on upside down. I don't believe she did it purposely to get pulled over - how would she even know to count on that. She had her "Utah alibi" - no need to get pulled over.

she just screwed up by putting it on upside down

And really, she's quite the lazy idiot. Why not fix that license plate and put the front one on???

She just leaves it the way it is and returns the car.

Don't think so. I agree that she took the front one off BEFORE hitting AZ. (Not illegal to not have one there evidently). AT THE SAME TIME, I believe she VERY DELIBERATELY put the rear one on upside down BEFORE GETTING TO AZ, AND CERTAINLY BEFORE GOING TO T'S HOUSE. (IF SHE WAS STOPPED SHE COULD FEIGN IGNORANCE---"How did that get like that? Oh, I'll fix it officer...",) but in the meantime, while the car was parked in Travis' neighborhood, an upside down plate would be much harder to identify and IT WAS MUCH MORE LIKELY THAT SOMEONE WOULD MIS-READ IT. There is no way a rental agency is going to make the glaring error of having an upsidedown plate on one of their vehicles! This is what they do for a living!

If she had put the plates on properly once she left the state of Az., she would never have been stopped, and no one would ever know anything about an upsidedown plate. She is lazy, and actually quite stupid.

carlakay wrote:

18thcenturylady wrote:

Don't think so. I agree that she took the front one off BEFORE hitting AZ. (Not illegal to not have one there evidently). AT THE SAME TIME, I believe she VERY DELIBERATELY put the rear one on upside down BEFORE GETTING TO AZ, AND CERTAINLY BEFORE GOING TO T'S HOUSE. (IF SHE WAS STOPPED SHE COULD FEIGN IGNORANCE---"How did that get like that? Oh, I'll fix it officer...",) but in the meantime, while the car was parked in Travis' neighborhood, an upside down plate would be much harder to identify and IT WAS MUCH MORE LIKELY THAT SOMEONE WOULD MIS-READ IT.
If she had put the plates on properly once she left the state of Az., she would never have been stopped, and no one would ever know anything about an upsidedown plate. She is lazy, and actually quite stupid.

well we will really never know what she did when or why..what is important is the fact it has been proven the plates were tampered with.A whole bunch of things she did or did not do has been proven and you can bet there is a whole bunch more to come..loving it.

Mari 68 wrote:

carlakay wrote:

I think the shaving issue was all about time..according to her a whole lot went down between when Travis supposedly woke up to where he is on his back with alot of blood dripping off his neck.

I think the point about the shaving was where she had told Det. Flores that Travis was NOT the photogenic hound. SHE had to coax him into taking the pics. In fact, she said Travis was NOT comfortable "at first...blah blah blah...he said 'I feel gay'..."

He took her direct testimony "he didn't shave" spiel to show that he was, in fact, shaved - and not for the purpose of showing she lied about him shaving - but to draw attention to her previous words to Flores about how Travis would have NEVER wanted some shower photo shoot.

That B*TCH conned him into the shower with oohs and aahs about his "cut body". Positioned him so he was most vulnerable - went gun and stab happy.

18thcenturylady wrote:

carlakay wrote:

well we will really never know what she did when or why..what is important is the fact it has been proven the plates were tampered with.A whole bunch of things she did or did not do has been proven and you can bet there is a whole bunch more to come..loving it.

Actually, I think this is a monumentally important issue because it speaks to premeditation. I also believe the car rental man has already said NO plates were missing and NONE WERE ON UPSIDEDOWN when the car was rented. (They go over every car before they are rented out each time).
The fact that she removed a plate and put the other on upsidedown so that the car would be much harder to identify if it was noticed, is one thing that was DONE IN ADVANCE TO COVER HER TRACKS BEFORE SHE EVER GOT TO AZ.---Premeditation, and VERY important.

Bmore wrote:did she say why she took off the license plate?

Bmore wrote:the mixed blood hand print was it the left hand? either way it has her blood so since she even said she had no visiable injury that day other then her left ring finger he'll prove to the jury even though she kept lying about it, the proof is in the print...

Bmore wrote:did she say why she took off the license plate?

Weeziethm wrote:

Bmore wrote:I watched the ME yesterday on a youtube clip for like 1 1/2 hours... I don't know if I missed anything but some of the knife wounds he was were around 5" deep. Does he know the shape of the knife? is it an outdoors type knife or something from a butcher block? Or was it not mentioned?

IIRC, he said the wounds did NOT match any of the knives in the block and none of those knives were missing. But I do not know if they actually identified the type that was used.

Mari 68 wrote:The License Plate:

Jodi took the front one off - just tossed it into the car. She drove with the rear one on. Until right before getting to Travis' house.

After killing him, and in a panic, she pulls over before the check point and hastily puts the rear one back on. Only she put it on upside down. I don't believe she did it purposely to get pulled over - how would she even know to count on that. She had her "Utah alibi" - no need to get pulled over.

she just screwed up by putting it on upside down

And really, she's quite the lazy idiot. Why not fix that license plate and put the front one on???

She just leaves it the way it is and returns the car.