Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #11

guiltyassin wrote:Am I in the right spot....do I know anybody here?

Freckles wrote:Stalker scale with names attached

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Evil

Calypso wrote:

Yes, you're in the right place!

18thcenturylady wrote:Damn, I cannot find confirmation at all that Alyce was cancelled for her speaking engagement today. Supposedly several people read this on Justice4Travis/facebook. I am not a Facebook member but was on the site. I saw NOTHING saying that. I have no idea now if it's true. Wish we could get legit confirmation.

Mylife101 wrote:

Freckles wrote:Stalker scale with names attached

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Evil

This was interesting. I was surprised to see that in a range of 1(least evil) to 22(most evil) the majority of the Manson family members were only listed at 15. Leslie Van Houten was only listed as 3. In regard to the Manson family, what are the chances of that many "actual" psychopaths (as they are classified on this chart) getting together in one group when the odd's of any individual being a psychopath are 1 in 100?

Casey would probably have been listed as an 11 on this chart if she had been convicted.

guiltyassin wrote:Am I in the right spot....do I know anybody here?

guiltyassin wrote:don't think i got the reply thing down.....gonna have to figure that out

Mylife101 wrote:

guiltyassin wrote:don't think i got the reply thing down.....gonna have to figure that out

Welcome!

Click on "Quote" in the upper right if you want your message to appear in a box directly below a post you are replying to. Next, look at the white box with the text of the message you are responding to. Click your mouse in at the end of the previous message after the last "quote" in brackets. I click "enter" at least once to make sure mus message separates from the previous message. Type your message...click send.

If you want to create a new message that is not a reply to a message...just scroll to the bottom of the page, enter message and send.

Hope this helps.

guiltyassin wrote:Am I in the right spot....do I know anybody here?

MichaelJames wrote:Hello...I am here, too.

Mari 68 wrote:


She got political asylum I think - and it was 20 years ago.

Whenever us kids would whine or complain my dad would say "try living in Bosnia!"

Freckles wrote:

Mylife101 wrote:

This was interesting. I was surprised to see that in a range of 1(least evil) to 22(most evil) the majority of the Manson family members were only listed at 15. Leslie Van Houten was only listed as 3. In regard to the Manson family, what are the chances of that many "actual" psychopaths (as they are classified on this chart) getting together in one group when the odd's of any individual being a psychopath are 1 in 100?

Casey would probably have been listed as an 11 on this chart if she had been convicted.

I am watching the youtubes. Lot of series from Discovery Channel.
He walks you through the crime, person, interviews, gives the level and reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFV2kvGOi_o

What level would you place JA? Reason?

Gobble12 wrote:

Mylife101 wrote:

Wow! How low can these media people go. I'm sure JA's family is truly disgusted with JA; however, they probably still love her and want to support her as best they can by being there. I can understand that. But, for a tv show (Dr. Phil) to stoop as low as financially supporting the Arias clan with a lame excuse like paying for Sandy Arias trial notes is just low. If they really want to pay the tab, at the very least they could have acknowledged that both the Alexander's and Arias's have a financial need and both have lost a young person they loved as TA is dead and JA will likely get the DP. The Dr. Phil show has deep enough pockets; so, they should have paid expenses for both families or none at all. Guess Dr. Phil is on Team Jodi.

Hi everyone, I'm new here. I followed my friend Calypso over here.

I can not believe Dr. Phil and his production company would do such a thing. I used to really like him, but lately he has been all about media attention. What is he doing for the Alexander family? I will never watch this phony again.

MichaelJames wrote:Hello...I am here, too.

Freckles wrote:

Mari 68 wrote:


She got political asylum I think - and it was 20 years ago.

Whenever us kids would whine or complain my dad would say "try living in Bosnia!"

You are young.... I was told CHINA! (Never mouthed off and told them I always wanted to see the Great Wall there...They probably would have shown it to me then!)

justanopinion wrote:

Gobble12 wrote:

Hi everyone, I'm new here. I followed my friend Calypso over here.

I can not believe Dr. Phil and his production company would do such a thing. I used to really like him, but lately he has been all about media attention. What is he doing for the Alexander family? I will never watch this phony again.

Welcome Gobble12 love your icon!! one of my favourite characters...

Freckles wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Evil

I see her as a 12, 13, 14:

12- Kill when they are cornered.
IMO, JA was not really jealous in the normal sense. She simply wanted control over TA and felt another female in his life (Lisa, Mimi, etc.) would diminish the control she had over him;
TA cornered her several times in 2008 based upon the text messages, especially when he told her she was a sociopath and when he threatened to tell everyone what she had done... Her game was up and she knew it. For TA to have told anyone would have left her discredited in that community for the illusion she wanted everyone to believe.

13-Rage.
I do believe JA was in a terrible rage when she left Yreka. Despite the "safe guards" she had put into place to blackmail TA IF he ever told anything negative about her, it appeared he was going to tell the truth. She had to get to him ASAP. The only time she might have faltered was when she was with Darryl or Matt. Otherwise, her rage propelled her forward. It was a cold, methodical rage to get rid of the one person who could tell the truth about her. Her control of him had slipped, in her mind.

14-Schemer.
IMO, JA had schemed for many years about the "good life" she felt she was owed. She had paid the admission price with the kinky sex; she wanted the whole show now. IMO, she schemed to meet TA and become his wife whether he liked it or not. When she fell on hard times early 2008 with the repo of her car, she wanted the BMW TA owned; she hated his being so successful. She had spent so much energy and time trying to land her man and she was NOT going to accept that rejection from her life of fantasy as long as he was alive.

I would like to say I see her as 12 degrees of GUILTY of FIRST DEGREE MURDER with EXECUTION.

Gobble12 wrote:

guiltyassin wrote:Am I in the right spot....do I know anybody here?

Hey!! Good to see so many familiar faces!!

Mel Un ball wrote:

Gobble12 wrote:
Hey!! Good to see so many familiar faces!!

Hello strangers!!!!

MichaelJames wrote:

Mel Un ball wrote:

Hello strangers!!!!

And it's great to see everyone here. Although, I didn't mind FB, either...this good.

The above mentioned psychopath chart is really interesting stuff. I concur with all...I think (from my understanding) that the highest number attributed to a killer would be their "diagnositic" number...therefore I would rate this BUTCHER a 14, although I concur with the others...about everything! 9, 12, 13 and 14 for sure.

Mel Un ball wrote:

Gobble12 wrote:
Hey!! Good to see so many familiar faces!!

Hello strangers!!!!

Mylife101 wrote: clipped--

I think we are pretty much on the same page. I also considered 14. I rejected it because the schemer kills as a means to get what they want (money, someone else's spouse, etc). Killing Travis guaranteed that she would never get what she ultimately wanted (to be Travis's publically recognized girl).I see Jodi killing Travis as the ultimate FU. Pure retribution for "wronging her" and not giving her what she wanted. IMO, her crime seems to be a combination of 12 and 13. Control freak full of rage at losing control and not getting her way.

Freckles wrote:

Mylife101 wrote: clipped--

I think we are pretty much on the same page. I also considered 14. I rejected it because the schemer kills as a means to get what they want (money, someone else's spouse, etc). Killing Travis guaranteed that she would never get what she ultimately wanted (to be Travis's publically recognized girl).I see Jodi killing Travis as the ultimate FU. Pure retribution for "wronging her" and not giving her what she wanted. IMO, her crime seems to be a combination of 12 and 13. Control freak full of rage at losing control and not getting her way.

I think so, too.
14 I considered for a reason: I am still speculating JA was misappropriating funds from TA's ATM. Perhaps, the bank statements came at the end of the month ? That would explain TA blowing up at JA end of April (she had no money and had to ask her mother for money to move); and then again, TA blew up end of May. Both times he asked her to come clean, confess or else he would destroy her by telling the Freemans and others.

I am speculating JA may have been taking money for her own daily expenses as well as using the money to "pay TA " for his BMW.

It is apparent JA did NOT want TA telling anyone in the Mormon community of what she had done. Why? She was already picking out the next person and that was Ryan.
(I find it interesting JA writes in text to TA she will no longer being attening PPL---Feb '08?- and then attends the June PPL in Salt Lake...)

Mylife101 wrote:

18thcenturylady wrote:Damn, I cannot find confirmation at all that Alyce was cancelled for her speaking engagement today. Supposedly several people read this on Justice4Travis/facebook. I am not a Facebook member but was on the site. I saw NOTHING saying that. I have no idea now if it's true. Wish we could get legit confirmation.

Do you have the name of the speaking engagement and an address or name of the venue. If so, you could probably just google search for a phone number and call or e-mail to inquire as to who will be speaking at the event. If you call and she is still scheduled to speak you would have the opportunity to get your two cents worth in as well. Probably the most direct way to confirm this.

Mylife101 wrote:

Freckles wrote: I think so, too.
14 I considered for a reason: I am still speculating JA was misappropriating funds from TA's ATM. Perhaps, the bank statements came at the end of the month ? That would explain TA blowing up at JA end of April (she had no money and had to ask her mother for money to move); and then again, TA blew up end of May. Both times he asked her to come clean, confess or else he would destroy her by telling the Freemans and others.

I am speculating JA may have been taking money for her own daily expenses as well as using the money to "pay TA " for his BMW.

It is apparent JA did NOT want TA telling anyone in the Mormon community of what she had done. Why? She was already picking out the next person and that was Ryan.
(I find it interesting JA writes in text to TA she will no longer being attening PPL---Feb '08?- and then attends the June PPL in Salt Lake...)

Great point, freckles. I hadn't thought of "gain" in the sense of "preserving" her reputation so as not to ruin her chances with other upwardly mobile young men in PPL and the Mormon community.

Mylife101 wrote:freckles wrote: "I do not know anything re this expert witness Nurmi wants to add, a Wong."

I have no information about a new defense expert.

Bueller....Bueller....Anyone?

Pianist wrote:

Mylife101 wrote:

Great point, freckles. I hadn't thought of "gain" in the sense of "preserving" her reputation so as not to ruin her chances with other upwardly mobile young men in PPL and the Mormon community.

I watched the documentaries on this scale. They were really excellent. I must agree that 14 is what I would rate JA. She has tendencies for several of the other ratings but where is her highest score? I agree with the Freckles on the personal gain and would expand somewhat. JA was really hurting. She was in psychological torment. Here was her MAN and he had just told her what he really thought of her and it was not nice. She had to stop the way she felt and he was the one hurting her (in her irrational thinking). Therefore, IMO her gain from killing him was to put an end to her own misery. She does not have the capability even today to think of anyone but herself. She does not have blunted affect; she has no affect at all. She wanted to hurt Travis as much as she thought he hurt her. I don't believe for a moment that she should be in a hospital. She is not mentally ill. She knew it was wrong or she would not have thought it through so much in detail. Today she does not care if her family hurts or Travis' family hurts. She only cares about herself.

Mylife101 wrote:freckles wrote: "I do not know anything re this expert witness Nurmi wants to add, a Wong."

I have no information about a new defense expert.

Bueller....Bueller....Anyone?

Mylife101 wrote:freckles wrote: "I do not know anything re this expert witness Nurmi wants to add, a Wong."

I have no information about a new defense expert.

Bueller....Bueller....Anyone?

Calypso wrote:

Mylife101 wrote:freckles wrote: "I do not know anything re this expert witness Nurmi wants to add, a Wong."

I have no information about a new defense expert.

Bueller....Bueller....Anyone?

Maybe you misheard him and what he really want is to add his "WANG"

Mylife101 wrote:freckles wrote: "I do not know anything re this expert witness Nurmi wants to add, a Wong."

I have no information about a new defense expert.

Bueller....Bueller....Anyone?

Weeziethm wrote:

Mylife101 wrote:freckles wrote: "I do not know anything re this expert witness Nurmi wants to add, a Wong."

I have no information about a new defense expert.

Bueller....Bueller....Anyone?

IIRC, this is in regards to the prosecutorial misconduct motion by DT that is still pending. Wong, I believe, is a female producer for HLN In Session with Jenkasaurus who was brought up to the stand several days ago. Nurmi wants her testimony as to what she saw via the autograph signing incident with JM. I believe she was ready to go but because our Fairy godmother Alyce had prior engagements (oopsie,now she doesn't), he wanted to proceed with that testimony and put Wong on the back burner.

Again, just what I think I recall.

Freckles wrote:In all that is holy...!
BOYCOTT this man!
This is so repulsive!
He is wanting to make money off the murder of Travis!!!

" #JodiArias EXCLUSIVE DR PHIL SCOOP and Jodi Family MONEY:

Dr Phil Production Company is paying for #JodiArias Family living expenses.
Hotel and food TRAVEL for the last 94 days in Arizona

Excuse: paying MOM Sandra for her daily NOTES she writes while trial testimony takes place.

Dr Phil paid license fee for photos and video of Arias Family

Dr. Phil producer visited Jodi 2 times in jail so far per jailhouse visitor log ..."

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rjjvcl

http://www.nonprofitquarterly.org/philanthropy/20614-why-did-dr-phil-give-600000-to-anthony-charity.html

Mylife101 wrote:Jill-in-NV wrote: "Yes, I agree! This is what I remember also! Hopefully it won't go anywhere! Defense got their juror dumped anyway!"

Jill,
Do you know if Juror 5 is the same juror that spectators have claimed was often seen sitting outside the courthouse in an area that she could have seen reporters and possibly JM being photographed with trial watchers? If this was the same juror, then maybe the DT was looking for any reason to boot her? No matter the reason, I hope J5 conjures up enough common sense to stay away and not cause a scene next week.