Isabel Celis -- Missing 4/20/12

SweetT wrote:My kids wrote on walls too, in fact I ended up buying special paint for their walls due to that fact. I wonder if Isa wrote in the closet so she wouldnt get in trouble for it being on the walls out to see out in the open.

Ellie Tza wrote:I saw that comment that you edited out TAMTA. :) You were right on the money!

Honeysage wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-child-welfare-officials-arizona_n_1526158.html
Isabel Celis Case: Child Welfare Officials Called To Missing Girl's Home Last Year

interesting comment being made by someone under this article...rumor of course, but interesting.

Ann - Tx wrote:
Compilation of articles/videos/pictures as this case unfolded with the most recent update first:


http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/
KVOA Tucson, AZ 4/21/12 - to Current

Finding Isabel - Full Coverage

Latest Post: 05/16/2012 06:11 PM
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Calypso wrote:

Honeysage wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-child-welfare-officials-arizona_n_1526158.html
Isabel Celis Case: Child Welfare Officials Called To Missing Girl's Home Last Year

interesting comment being made by someone under this article...rumor of course, but interesting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-child-welfare-officials-arizona_n_1526158.html


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4 hours ago (11:38 PM)
Cps was called because the youngest son came foreward with information about where Isabel really went and Sergio told his son to keep his mouth shut. The younger son is in fact the "key witness" that came forward with information. Isabels passport is also missing which is why the police suspect she was taken to Mexico by someone the family knew with Sergios permission. Sergio is up to something and its not clear what that is yet. The Police are intentionally holding information from the public and believe that Isa is alive and plan to keep it that way.


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And yes, before anyone pops off with a stupid comment you DO NEED A PASSPORT WHEN ENTERING AND EXITING MEXICO. I live in Tucson and know first hand that the law HAS changed...

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4 hours ago (11:47 PM)
Oh really, did you know that Cps can come around more than once??

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I dont believe Mr Slug was referring to the Cps case from December because in Dec. Sergio was not restricted from seeing his children. Only NOW has he been restricted from contact with the boys. The Cps case was found to be unsubstantiated in Dec based on the fact that the cousin, Justin Mastromarino was asked to leave the Celis home as he was staying with the family at the time. The Cps case in Dec was initiated because someone had alerted Cps to the drug use going on in the home on the part of Justin. Its not surprising that Cps chose to close the case in Dec deciding it was unsubstantiated when Justin was in fact using drugs but thats just how Cps works here in Pima county. They fail children and families.

Calypso~ Very interesting, Honeysage. We'll just have to wait and see how accurate or false this info is. Hopefully, they'll continue to post!

Calypso wrote:

Honeysage wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-child-welfare-officials-arizona_n_1526158.html
Isabel Celis Case: Child Welfare Officials Called To Missing Girl's Home Last Year

interesting comment being made by someone under this article...rumor of course, but interesting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-child-welfare-officials-arizona_n_1526158.html


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Cps was called because the youngest son came foreward with information about where Isabel really went and Sergio told his son to keep his mouth shut. The younger son is in fact the "key witness" that came forward with information. Isabels passport is also missing which is why the police suspect she was taken to Mexico by someone the family knew with Sergios permission. Sergio is up to something and its not clear what that is yet. The Police are intentionally holding information from the public and believe that Isa is alive and plan to keep it that way.


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And yes, before anyone pops off with a stupid comment you DO NEED A PASSPORT WHEN ENTERING AND EXITING MEXICO. I live in Tucson and know first hand that the law HAS changed...

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Oh really, did you know that Cps can come around more than once??

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I dont believe Mr Slug was referring to the Cps case from December because in Dec. Sergio was not restricted from seeing his children. Only NOW has he been restricted from contact with the boys. The Cps case was found to be unsubstantiated in Dec based on the fact that the cousin, Justin Mastromarino was asked to leave the Celis home as he was staying with the family at the time. The Cps case in Dec was initiated because someone had alerted Cps to the drug use going on in the home on the part of Justin. Its not surprising that Cps chose to close the case in Dec deciding it was unsubstantiated when Justin was in fact using drugs but thats just how Cps works here in Pima county. They fail children and families.

Calypso~ Very interesting, Honeysage. We'll just have to wait and see how accurate or false this info is. Hopefully, they'll continue to post!

Soprano1 wrote:I have a hunch that Justin is a grown-up kid that gets into social trouble (drugs, partying, etc.), but who loves his family. Now, dealing from the house is a different story, and is HIGHLY dangerous, but even if this were taking place, it doesn't mean he would harm his family. It means he's horribly irresponsible and needs to get out of a home with kids and grow up, but it doesn't mean he's involved in Isa's disappearance. To be honest, in his pictures with the children and in his comments about them on social media sites, he says similar things as my own brother says about my daughters. He expresses excitement about seeing them, and is particularly doting upon Isabel (which is perfectly normal, given that she is the baby, and is a little girl; my brother is that way about my youngest daughter, and one of my uncles is that way about specifically me, because I was his first niece and kind of made my spot in his heart early). Justin's using a photo of himself and Isa as a social media site profile picture doesn't seem strange to me, either; I know plenty of men who are just that proud of their little sweet nieces/cousins/random family members.

As for Justin being called "uncle," I also find this normal. My kids call my cousin "Aunt Courtney" because she's my age, and it's a simpler way to establish a family relationship. These don't seem to be strange things; what seems to have happened is that minds were made up about Justin, and then every single thing about him began to look "nefarious." I really didn't make much of his initial statement to the public, either. He seemed like he was truly worried about her, but wanted to appear "smarter" or more like he knew how to give a live interview than he actually does. That, to me, explains the somewhat awkward phrasing of some of his comments. I think he may or may not have been in the home on the night Isa disappeared; it is entirely possible that he was staying down the street at the grandparents' home or somewhere else close-by, and was able to get there quickly to help. Doesn't necessarily matter, really, because I also believe that Becky was in the home all night and that she has no knowledge of what has happened to her daughter.

My suspicion on the December CPS visit (now that I've had a bit to process the information) is this: likely, CPS visited (as others have said) about Justin, his drug use, and possibly friends who were around the home at that time. It is a possibility that he was asked to move out of the home based on h is recreational activities, threatened with child endangerment charges, and had actual drug charges filed against him. If this is the case, it makes sense to me that he would try to speak in an extremely "responsible" way about Isa to the public, knowing that he's already not publicly viewed as the most upstanding character, and that what he says could come out sounding awkward, and then we would all pick it apart because it sounded unlike something we'd probably say (which is true - some of it was a little strange, but I really think this could be why). I also think that he jumped the gun on speaking out, but I think he's just not that...um...think-y (as a Disney Channel character puts it).

He may know more than others, though, possibly because one of the boys has mentioned to him other things about their father, or because Isa may have told him things about her life at home. OR...he may have observed things while living there, and has been working with police to verify them and glean new information about the children's (and, specifically, Isa's) home environment. That (or something of that nature) could be the reason he was out in the media immediately, but has since dropped off the scene. At some point, police tell witnesses to shut up...especially if they're the kind to want to run their mouths and sound smart, even if they are truly trying to help.

Tamta wrote:@Stolat

I agree.

In fact I read some of those comments and they were even more over the top than what was posted for viewing here.

Stolat wrote:Again, just catching up with my coffee...

On the wall thing. I have seen a number of you guys post about kids who write in their bedroom, write on the walls, no big deal, etc. Got ya. I wrote all the way down my hallway at 3. Mom had to completely repaint the wall. Big trouble! however, I noticed that all of you had one thing in common. All the grafiti and would-be mini-criminal taggers (ha! j/k) all committed the act out in the open. What some analysts said (and I find interesting) is that Isabel's drawings were *not* somewhere out in the open. They were secreted away where likely she didn't want to be caught

If kids draw on the walls - -it seems a natural expression and it demonstrates a mostly innocent act where they just don't know any better. Hence, they do it out in the open. If the drawing was concealed with the awareness level of knowing it was wrong to do and therefore they DO know better and still they defy, then that in and of itself requires some closer attention as to what behavioral outlashing is going on and why. If she simply wanted to express herself, she could use paper - but she chose a wall for permanency and reminder of her note. And she chose it on a wall that was not at risk of being erased or discovered. This expression was for herself- not the benefit of others - and she didn't want it taken away.

Stolat wrote: I don't trust this account of things. This commenter is VERY hinky. This would have to be written by someone with intimate knowlege of the family. Notice they know and use the name of Justin (who wasn't there very long) as well as Sergio -- both of these names have been heavily used in the press. Notice they do NOT seem to know or use either names of the two sons. These names are in the press, but you have to look harder for them. I don't think they actually know the family at all. Logic tells me someone with this guarded information would use the sons names far more readily than some cousin's name.

This appears to be speculation of a crime-sleuther (much like ourselves) based on the same kinds of facts we all here have had access to and have made the same assumptions ourselves.

I call B. S.!!!

Stolat wrote:Again, just catching up with my coffee...

On the wall thing. I have seen a number of you guys post about kids who write in their bedroom, write on the walls, no big deal, etc. Got ya. I wrote all the way down my hallway at 3. Mom had to completely repaint the wall. Big trouble! however, I noticed that all of you had one thing in common. All the grafiti and would-be mini-criminal taggers (ha! j/k) all committed the act out in the open. What some analysts said (and I find interesting) is that Isabel's drawings were *not* somewhere out in the open. They were secreted away where likely she didn't want to be caught

If kids draw on the walls - -it seems a natural expression and it demonstrates a mostly innocent act where they just don't know any better. Hence, they do it out in the open. If the drawing was concealed with the awareness level of knowing it was wrong to do and therefore they DO know better and still they defy, then that in and of itself requires some closer attention as to what behavioral outlashing is going on and why. If she simply wanted to express herself, she could use paper - but she chose a wall for permanency and reminder of her note. And she chose it on a wall that was not at risk of being erased or discovered. This expression was for herself- not the benefit of others - and she didn't want it taken away.

Soprano1 wrote:

Stolat wrote:Again, just catching up with my coffee...

On the wall thing. I have seen a number of you guys post about kids who write in their bedroom, write on the walls, no big deal, etc. Got ya. I wrote all the way down my hallway at 3. Mom had to completely repaint the wall. Big trouble! however, I noticed that all of you had one thing in common. All the grafiti and would-be mini-criminal taggers (ha! j/k) all committed the act out in the open. What some analysts said (and I find interesting) is that Isabel's drawings were *not* somewhere out in the open. They were secreted away where likely she didn't want to be caught

If kids draw on the walls - -it seems a natural expression and it demonstrates a mostly innocent act where they just don't know any better. Hence, they do it out in the open. If the drawing was concealed with the awareness level of knowing it was wrong to do and therefore they DO know better and still they defy, then that in and of itself requires some closer attention as to what behavioral outlashing is going on and why. If she simply wanted to express herself, she could use paper - but she chose a wall for permanency and reminder of her note. And she chose it on a wall that was not at risk of being erased or discovered. This expression was for herself- not the benefit of others - and she didn't want it taken away.

Hmm. This is interesting to chew on. It seems a bit of a grown-up (or much older kid-like) thing, with significant forethought, for age 6, but then again...when young children have had to reason through traumatic things on their own, they do tend to be *wiser* for their age. Wait - isn't that exactly how Isa's uncle described her?! Very, VERY interesting thoughts, Stolat!

Calypso wrote:

Stolat wrote: I don't trust this account of things. This commenter is VERY hinky. This would have to be written by someone with intimate knowlege of the family. Notice they know and use the name of Justin (who wasn't there very long) as well as Sergio -- both of these names have been heavily used in the press. Notice they do NOT seem to know or use either names of the two sons. These names are in the press, but you have to look harder for them. I don't think they actually know the family at all. Logic tells me someone with this guarded information would use the sons names far more readily than some cousin's name.

This appears to be speculation of a crime-sleuther (much like ourselves) based on the same kinds of facts we all here have had access to and have made the same assumptions ourselves.

I call B. S.!!!

It's possible the commenter didn't want to mention the kids names merely because they are minors.

However, as with anything else with the case that doesn't come from an official source, we have to take it with a grain of salt. Could be spot on, could be total b/s.

Stolat wrote:

Soprano1 wrote:

Stolat wrote:Again, just catching up with my coffee...

On the wall thing. I have seen a number of you guys post about kids who write in their bedroom, write on the walls, no big deal, etc. Got ya. I wrote all the way down my hallway at 3. Mom had to completely repaint the wall. Big trouble! however, I noticed that all of you had one thing in common. All the grafiti and would-be mini-criminal taggers (ha! j/k) all committed the act out in the open. What some analysts said (and I find interesting) is that Isabel's drawings were *not* somewhere out in the open. They were secreted away where likely she didn't want to be caught

If kids draw on the walls - -it seems a natural expression and it demonstrates a mostly innocent act where they just don't know any better. Hence, they do it out in the open. If the drawing was concealed with the awareness level of knowing it was wrong to do and therefore they DO know better and still they defy, then that in and of itself requires some closer attention as to what behavioral outlashing is going on and why. If she simply wanted to express herself, she could use paper - but she chose a wall for permanency and reminder of her note. And she chose it on a wall that was not at risk of being erased or discovered. This expression was for herself- not the benefit of others - and she didn't want it taken away.

Hmm. This is interesting to chew on. It seems a bit of a grown-up (or much older kid-like) thing, with significant forethought, for age 6, but then again...when young children have had to reason through traumatic things on their own, they do tend to be *wiser* for their age. Wait - isn't that exactly how Isa's uncle described her?! Very, VERY interesting thoughts, Stolat!

It could be nothing. But I am a patterns person. I believe very firmly people operate under patterns and groups of people operate in patterns. It is my job. I deal with statistics every day. I always look for the "outlier". Remember Sesame Street? ..."One of these things is *not* like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong..." When I see the outlier, I look for characteristics of what makes it different -- what conditions exist. Sometimes it's just "noise" as we call it in the math stats world -- but often there is correlation.

Stolat wrote:Justin's Probation status for May 2011 DUI arrest (that he plead guilty to). Scroll to bottom for today's date

Mastromarino, Justin G
TCC Court Case #: TR 11046612
LEA Case #: TPD 1105200011
Case Status: PROBATION

5/20/2011 1 5011 FILED: COMPLAINT-CITATION
5/23/2011 1 6 FILE MADE
5/31/2011 1 6504 CAL: ARRM-DRIVING
5/31/2011 2 5020 FTA: CRIM TRAFF FTA-FILED CD COMPLETED
5/31/2011 3 5156 WRNT: ISSUE FTA CRIM TRAFFIC NI QUASHED BEFORE ISSUED
6/1/2011 1 5120 HELD: ARRAIGNMENT SE SET
6/1/2011 2 5159 WRNT: QUASH FTA CRIM TRAFFIC QW QUASH WARRANT
6/28/2011 1 6535 CAL: PRETRIAL-ASSIGNED
6/28/2011 2 6144 ORDER: TO CONTINUE SE SET
9/12/2011 1 6550 CAL: COP-HEARING
9/12/2011 2 6208 MOTION: DEF-TO CONTINUE CO CONTINUED - NO OBJECTION
11/18/2011 1 6550 CAL: COP-HEARING
11/18/2011 2 6454 TIC: PROOF-ALCOHOL SCREENING CD COMPLETED
11/18/2011 3 9613 FUND: BASE FINE $250.00
11/18/2011 4 9614 FUND: 2007 SURCHARGES (84%) $209.20
11/18/2011 5 9670 FUND: TCC CASE PROCESS FEE 84% $36.80
11/18/2011 6 9624 FUND: PROBATION ASSESSMENT $20.00
11/18/2011 7 9850 FUND: TIME PYMT $20 JCEF $20.00
11/18/2011 8 9987 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES $1,170.00
11/18/2011 9 9914 FUND: JAIL INCARCERATION FEES $250.00
11/18/2011 10 9105 FUND: TPD GUILTY DUI FEE $188.00
11/18/2011 11 5188 HELD: CHANGE OF PLEA HRNG FG FOUND GUILTY
11/18/2011 12 8915 PROBATION
12/16/2011 1 5375 MOTION FILED: REVOKE PROBATION
12/30/2011 1 5272 PROCESS: SERVED/PRIVATE SERVR SR SERVED - PROCESS SERVER
1/18/2012 1 6520 CAL: ARRM-PROBATION REVOCATIO
1/18/2012 2 6208 MOTION: DEF-TO CONTINUE CO CONTINUED - NO OBJECTION
2/3/2012 1 6051 PROBATION: CONTACT CD COMPLETED
2/24/2012 1 6610 CAL: HRNG-PROBATION REVOCATIO
2/24/2012 2 6051 PROBATION: CONTACT CD COMPLETED
2/24/2012 3 6000 HELD: HEARING OR ORDERED
2/24/2012 4 6058 PROBATION: COURT APPEARANCE
3/28/2012 1 6051 PROBATION: CONTACT CD COMPLETED
4/2/2012 1 5375 MOTION FILED: REVOKE PROBATION FI FILED
4/3/2012 1 6053 PROBATION: PETITION TO TERM GR GRANTED
4/3/2012 2 9987 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES -$845.00
5/18/2012 1 6412 TIC: SCHEDULED PAYMENT DATE
5/18/2012 2 6432 TIC: PROBATION SCHEDULE TERM
5/18/2012 3 6454 TIC: PROOF-ALCOHOL SCREENING CD COMPLETED
5/18/2012 4 6461 TIC: PROOF-LEVEL I/II TX CD COMPLETED
5/18/2012 5 6463 TIC: PROOF-VIPP CD COMPLETED

http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/courts/QDPS/Reports/QDPSReport.aspx


My guess (based on the same that happened to my friend) that he had a one-year probation and had to complete either and/or counselling or alcohol education courses at a rehab center for one year and provide documented proof of completion to the courts on his one-year anniversary (which is this month).

Tamta wrote:How many references in the media are there to this drawing on the wall thing and Sergio wanting the house professionally cleaned?

I recall Becky speaking of cleaning but not Sergio.

Anyone?

Stolat wrote:Again, just catching up with my coffee...

On the wall thing. I have seen a number of you guys post about kids who write in their bedroom, write on the walls, no big deal, etc. Got ya. I wrote all the way down my hallway at 3. Mom had to completely repaint the wall. Big trouble! however, I noticed that all of you had one thing in common. All the grafiti and would-be mini-criminal taggers (ha! j/k) all committed the act out in the open. What some analysts said (and I find interesting) is that Isabel's drawings were *not* somewhere out in the open. They were secreted away where likely she didn't want to be caught

If kids draw on the walls - -it seems a natural expression and it demonstrates a mostly innocent act where they just don't know any better. Hence, they do it out in the open. If the drawing was concealed with the awareness level of knowing it was wrong to do and therefore they DO know better and still they defy, then that in and of itself requires some closer attention as to what behavioral outlashing is going on and why. If she simply wanted to express herself, she could use paper - but she chose a wall for permanency and reminder of her note. And she chose it on a wall that was not at risk of being erased or discovered. This expression was for herself- not the benefit of others - and she didn't want it taken away.

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:How many references in the media are there to this drawing on the wall thing and Sergio wanting the house professionally cleaned?

I recall Becky speaking of cleaning but not Sergio.

Anyone?

Interesting connection. But I would think that would be pretty obvious if the wall writing was common knowlege to police and then they erase the evidence after the fact. The wall drawing seems to be relatively new release of info however that is no indication that police has not known all along. It was discussed on Nancy Grace last night and it's mentioned in a few papers today.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/17/ng.01.html

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:How many references in the media are there to this drawing on the wall thing and Sergio wanting the house professionally cleaned?

I recall Becky speaking of cleaning but not Sergio.

Anyone?

Interesting connection. But I would think that would be pretty obvious if the wall writing was common knowlege to police and then they erase the evidence after the fact. The wall drawing seems to be relatively new release of info however that is no indication that police has not known all along. It was discussed on Nancy Grace last night and it's mentioned in a few papers today.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/17/ng.01.html

Thanks Stolat!

I personally do not see a connection at this point.

I am not concerned about the drawings at the moment or the desire to clean one's house after forensic chemicals have been used.

But it seems that some are in the blogs today!

I have read some 'interesting' ideas.

Honeysage wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:How many references in the media are there to this drawing on the wall thing and Sergio wanting the house professionally cleaned?

I recall Becky speaking of cleaning but not Sergio.

Anyone?

Interesting connection. But I would think that would be pretty obvious if the wall writing was common knowlege to police and then they erase the evidence after the fact. The wall drawing seems to be relatively new release of info however that is no indication that police has not known all along. It was discussed on Nancy Grace last night and it's mentioned in a few papers today.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/17/ng.01.html

Thanks Stolat!

I personally do not see a connection at this point.

I am not concerned about the drawings at the moment or the desire to clean one's house after forensic chemicals have been used.

But it seems that some are in the blogs today!

I have read some 'interesting' ideas.

i thought the "writing" was discovered 2 days after Isa's disappearance? have to go listen to press conference again...maybe i'm mixing it up with another discovery. speaking of cleaning, they showed woman from maid company at the house so why haven't they moved back in? are they waiting for Hazmat? they used Luminol and fingerprint dust for crying out loud not agent orange! these people are full of empty excuses.

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:How many references in the media are there to this drawing on the wall thing and Sergio wanting the house professionally cleaned?

I recall Becky speaking of cleaning but not Sergio.

Anyone?

Interesting connection. But I would think that would be pretty obvious if the wall writing was common knowlege to police and then they erase the evidence after the fact. The wall drawing seems to be relatively new release of info however that is no indication that police has not known all along. It was discussed on Nancy Grace last night and it's mentioned in a few papers today.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/17/ng.01.html

Thanks Stolat!

I personally do not see a connection at this point.

I am not concerned about the drawings at the moment or the desire to clean one's house after forensic chemicals have been used.

But it seems that some are in the blogs today!

I have read some 'interesting' ideas.

Honeysage wrote:http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18504085/police-cps-had-previous-contact-with-celis-family video at link

@ 3:03 in the video is when reporter asks about writing...one reporter mention note found 2 days after Isa's disappearance, then another reporter states note was written on wall.

have to really turn up volume...hard to hear the reporters

Stolat wrote:


Yeah, it could be nothing and it does make for good news in the press.

If you read the NG transcripts, get a kick out of "bff" Joe Vega. He's sort of like a Taafe. NG busted him out and asked if he's been to Celis home before or likewise and he said never (in 3 yrs). NG asked him just how "close" they could possibly be if they've only conversed on the baseball diamond. He also had no knowlege of CPS being called. NG asked how he can personally vouch for Sergio and claim to know him intimiately if he doesn't even know what is going on in the inner home. He's not asked Sergio any personal questions such as whether he passed the poly, whether Justin was there that night, etc. If he were a good friend, he'd say "hey dude - for the record, what's up?" He'd want to give his friend the opportunity to tell him how innocent he was. But by NOT asking anything personal to the case (as he keeps saying he doesn't want to do) -- it sounds more like he DOESN'T want to know the answer. Why? Well, he has been on the NG show twice now (and other shows I believe) he seems to really enjoy the limelight. By not asking these details he can still afford the luxury of going on TV but not having to bust out his friend. If he asks those questions, he'll be asked to answer those questions, and if he too refuses to answer, he will only feed into the current obvious speculation.

Honeysage wrote:http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18504085/police-cps-had-previous-contact-with-celis-family video at link

@ 3:03 in the video is when reporter asks about writing...one reporter mention note found 2 days after Isa's disappearance, then another reporter states note was written on wall.

have to really turn up volume...hard to hear the reporters

Stolat wrote:

Honeysage wrote:http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18504085/police-cps-had-previous-contact-with-celis-family video at link

@ 3:03 in the video is when reporter asks about writing...one reporter mention note found 2 days after Isa's disappearance, then another reporter states note was written on wall.

have to really turn up volume...hard to hear the reporters

Yeah, I sorta wondered if this was something always known to the police. Wonder why it's just now leaking out? It may be completely insignificant.

I want to know who filed a report back in December to CPS? usually it is a teacher, a coach, a relative, physician. It could have resulted from something that one of the kids said to their peers (who then maybe told their parents or teachers). Oldest son is 14 -- age of drug discovery. He may have had loose lips with his friends about what his "Uncle" Justin was into at their house.

Joe Vega (little league friend) asserted on two differnt points of the show on Nancy Grace last night that it could have been a neighbor who called (when she speculated on who called CPS). That seemed to be an area of sensitivity to him. I'm sorta wondering if he's referring to the same neighbor who called the cops on the Celis home for their dogs.

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:

Honeysage wrote:http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18504085/police-cps-had-previous-contact-with-celis-family video at link

@ 3:03 in the video is when reporter asks about writing...one reporter mention note found 2 days after Isa's disappearance, then another reporter states note was written on wall.

have to really turn up volume...hard to hear the reporters

Yeah, I sorta wondered if this was something always known to the police. Wonder why it's just now leaking out? It may be completely insignificant.

I want to know who filed a report back in December to CPS? usually it is a teacher, a coach, a relative, physician. It could have resulted from something that one of the kids said to their peers (who then maybe told their parents or teachers). Oldest son is 14 -- age of drug discovery. He may have had loose lips with his friends about what his "Uncle" Justin was into at their house.

Joe Vega (little league friend) asserted on two differnt points of the show on Nancy Grace last night that it could have been a neighbor who called (when she speculated on who called CPS). That seemed to be an area of sensitivity to him. I'm sorta wondering if he's referring to the same neighbor who called the cops on the Celis home for their dogs.

The neighbor across the back alley?

Stolat wrote:

I don't know that they've yet been identified - unless they have uncovered which neighbor it was. But somebody called the cops on the dogs. The fact that Vega was so assertive in suggesting that it was a neighbor who called CPS (which is not usually the first point of contact for CPS, usually it's a teacher/doctor/relative) tells me he has prior knowlege about strained relationships with a certain neighbor. That is not a likely "first guess" for CPS. So it tells me he knows something he is not telling us about which of Sergio's neighbors would do something like that -- would call CPS. The two of them must have had conversation about a certain neighbor that for whatever reasons has relations strained enough for Vega to assume that neighbor was the one to call CPS. The fact that neighbors have called the cops recently regarding the dogs seems to suggest this would/might be the same person.

Tamta wrote:Is the red car that is parked next to the garage inside or outside of the wooden fence?

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:Is the red car that is parked next to the garage inside or outside of the wooden fence?

It appears to be outside. This appears to also be the same red car that can be seen parked out front in the photo that was posted in the article on the day that cops went back in with the parents separately to re-created the crime -- the day they were seen bringing a towel into the home or out of the home (can't remember which).

Better shot here:

http://www.knst.com/pages/findisabelcelis.html?feed=457941&article=10099926

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:Is the red car that is parked next to the garage inside or outside of the wooden fence?

It appears to be outside. This appears to also be the same red car that can be seen parked out front in the photo that was posted in the article on the day that cops went back in with the parents separately to re-created the crime -- the day they were seen bringing a towel into the home or out of the home (can't remember which).

Better shot here:

http://www.knst.com/pages/findisabelcelis.html?feed=457941&article=10099926

I thought so.
I see the car being about equal distance between front access and gate access to back fence.

I feel the need to return to what is considered and confirmed to be the physical evidence.

Are the findings included in early LE Pressers.

I know dogs made a hit.
The car had items removed.

Anything else??

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:Is the red car that is parked next to the garage inside or outside of the wooden fence?

It appears to be outside. This appears to also be the same red car that can be seen parked out front in the photo that was posted in the article on the day that cops went back in with the parents separately to re-created the crime -- the day they were seen bringing a towel into the home or out of the home (can't remember which).

Better shot here:

http://www.knst.com/pages/findisabelcelis.html?feed=457941&article=10099926

I thought so.
I see the car being about equal distance between front access and gate access to back fence.

I feel the need to return to what is considered and confirmed to be the physical evidence.

Are the findings included in early LE Pressers.

I know dogs made a hit.
The car had items removed.

Anything else??

Confirmed sightings/times of when the boys were seen outside the home either in the streets or neighborhood
Confirmed times of when we know the oldest sibling was on the phone with 911
Confirmed sighting of Isabel at baseball game
Confirmed absence of Isa from school that Friday
Confirmed appearance at work by Mother Becky

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:Is the red car that is parked next to the garage inside or outside of the wooden fence?

It appears to be outside. This appears to also be the same red car that can be seen parked out front in the photo that was posted in the article on the day that cops went back in with the parents separately to re-created the crime -- the day they were seen bringing a towel into the home or out of the home (can't remember which).

Better shot here:

http://www.knst.com/pages/findisabelcelis.html?feed=457941&article=10099926

I thought so.
I see the car being about equal distance between front access and gate access to back fence.

I feel the need to return to what is considered and confirmed to be the physical evidence.

Are the findings included in early LE Pressers.

I know dogs made a hit.
The car had items removed.

Anything else??

Confirmed sightings/times of when the boys were seen outside the home either in the streets or neighborhood
Confirmed times of when we know the oldest sibling was on the phone with 911
Confirmed sighting of Isabel at baseball game
Confirmed absence of Isa from school that Friday
Confirmed appearance at work by Mother Becky

Do you think forensics was done on Justin's car?

Had to have been another party involved in transport of isa

Stolat wrote:
Kinda reminds me of tv's NYPD Blue episode or something where they know who did it...they've got plenty of evidence, they're pretty damned sure about it all, but they just don't have enough to pin it down and they know the guy will walk so they're pacing the floors looking for that one break that will nail it to the wall. I just get the feeling something like that is going on here as well.

Honeysage wrote:http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18504085/police-cps-had-previous-contact-with-celis-family video at link

@ 3:03 in the video is when reporter asks about writing...one reporter mention note found 2 days after Isa's disappearance, then another reporter states note was written on wall.

have to really turn up volume...hard to hear the reporters

Calypso wrote:

Honeysage wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-child-welfare-officials-arizona_n_1526158.html
Isabel Celis Case: Child Welfare Officials Called To Missing Girl's Home Last Year

interesting comment being made by someone under this article...rumor of course, but interesting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-child-welfare-officials-arizona_n_1526158.html


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4 hours ago (11:38 PM)
Cps was called because the youngest son came foreward with information about where Isabel really went and Sergio told his son to keep his mouth shut. The younger son is in fact the "key witness" that came forward with information. Isabels passport is also missing which is why the police suspect she was taken to Mexico by someone the family knew with Sergios permission. Sergio is up to something and its not clear what that is yet. The Police are intentionally holding information from the public and believe that Isa is alive and plan to keep it that way.


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4 hours ago (11:41 PM)
And yes, before anyone pops off with a stupid comment you DO NEED A PASSPORT WHEN ENTERING AND EXITING MEXICO. I live in Tucson and know first hand that the law HAS changed...

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4 hours ago (11:47 PM)
Oh really, did you know that Cps can come around more than once??

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4 hours ago (11:56 PM)
I dont believe Mr Slug was referring to the Cps case from December because in Dec. Sergio was not restricted from seeing his children. Only NOW has he been restricted from contact with the boys. The Cps case was found to be unsubstantiated in Dec based on the fact that the cousin, Justin Mastromarino was asked to leave the Celis home as he was staying with the family at the time. The Cps case in Dec was initiated because someone had alerted Cps to the drug use going on in the home on the part of Justin. Its not surprising that Cps chose to close the case in Dec deciding it was unsubstantiated when Justin was in fact using drugs but thats just how Cps works here in Pima county. They fail children and families.

Calypso~ Very interesting, Honeysage. We'll just have to wait and see how accurate or false this info is. Hopefully, they'll continue to post!