Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #14

Bmore wrote:carla it could of been happening "contemporaneously"... him just reaching up weakly (arm is upward in the pic but his feet were towards the bathroom so wouldn't you drag by the feet to put him in the shower?) and her still cutting but dropping the camera and it took the pic... i'm saying he wasn't fighting back but making a motion to stop it while dying...

Mylife101 wrote:

carlakay wrote:

ok so since the ME stated his opinion that the shot coming first would of caused unconciousness at the least then your saying they couldnt go for the DP then because he wouldnt of suffered because he wouldnt of been aware of the rest? Good God how messed up is that!? I get it now..it's crazy..but I get it

Yes, that is why the defense wants the gunshot first. But by their own admission, if we are to believe the gunshot came first,...then it did not cause unconsciousness because JA had to chase him down and stab him to death. This is still cruelty and suffering....which is why she wants us to believe she can't remember the cruel stab wounds...like somehow not remembering makes them irrelevant to cruelty. NOT!

Other reports have stated that the part of the brain the bullet traveled through might or might not have caused unconsiousness. Maybe even a very temporary unconsciousness? Not possible to conclusively state because of decomp. Even the ME acknowledges this. If not rendered unconscious, he would likely have been in considerable pain and confused, but not necessarily immobile. Many people have survived gun shot wounds to the head and not been down for the count immediately after being wounded. I just think it is a possibility, IMO.

18thcenturylady wrote:This whole crime was a botch job from start to finish. I keep shaking my head and ok, smirking a little just thinking about her "my IQ can be compared to Einstein's" BS!
Just for starters, who borrows money from someone (Paul Stern) and tells them they have "got to get to Mesa to see my boyfriend" (OOPS!) and then goes to unreal lengths to pretend like she was never near the state of AZ??!!!

Freckles wrote:

justanopinion wrote:I am just throwing this out there ... what if the Pictures were not taken accidentally... what if Hodi Ho took them so she could see what it looked like from TA's point of reference as he was dying?

twisted I know but wondering?

Well, thinking she might have done this is not so twisted as if she HAD done it.
I, too, had considered that... Maybe, she wanted to record a person prior to death and then the instant they feel fear or acknowledge their life is in danger.

What really bothers me is imagining JA sitting on the bed, thumbing thru the pics prior to deleting them. And that would be AFTER she had slit Travis' throat. While she may not have intended to take that pic, she WAS aware it had been taken for SHE was the one who deleted the pic! And, because it was a new camera and serial number would be easy to track, she did not want not keep it. Rather than tossing it an someone finding it, she threw it in the washer to make it look, perhaps, accidentally deposited there by Travis.

But to nonchalantly look at the pics of the man she had made love with, laughed with, shared intimacies... and then surprised him by brutally murdering him, ignoring his pleas for assistance... that is just cold. Cold. Premeditated and carried out in the coldest self righteous fashion. Eh, zap her. A nice electric cattle probe up her rear would do it well, IMO. Let her die as she lived using her ass as her connection with life.

carlakay wrote:JUST now found out my daughters friend and former teammate,as well as alot of other people from our community,are all safe and uninjured after the attack in Boston. The reason it took so long to hear from any is due to fact all cell phone service was shut down almost immedietly in case the bombs were being detonated in that manner..Thanks for yalls kind words..it was a gut wrenching wait fer sure.

Junebug wrote:

Bmore wrote:why would she attach her strap to his camera? it would have her dna on it from rubbing her neck? it would be another thing for her to have to deal with collecting... all her stuff was in the car remember? she said so lol...

I just have a hard time believing that the camera went down the hall to the edge of the bedroom, then up the hall for the last pic of while he was being dragged.

I am open to any thoughts. I was just now thinking maybe she was wearing a hoodie with a large front pocket she stuck it in and it fell out twice taking pics. I just think it had to "travel" with her some way, mostly because of the last pic.

Bmore wrote:carla it could of been happening "contemporaneously"... him just reaching up weakly (arm is upward in the pic but his feet were towards the bathroom so wouldn't you drag by the feet to put him in the shower?) and her still cutting but dropping the camera and it took the pic... i'm saying he wasn't fighting back but making a motion to stop it while dying...

Freckles wrote:

Bmore wrote:Pic #68 but i can't tell anything from it...

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/01/03/jodi-arias-evidence-photos-nancy-grace-mysteries-day-4

Was any DNA recovered from the duct tape?
Prints?

justanopinion wrote:

Freckles wrote:
Well, thinking she might have done this is not so twisted as if she HAD done it.
I, too, had considered that... Maybe, she wanted to record a person prior to death and then the instant they feel fear or acknowledge their life is in danger.

What really bothers me is imagining JA sitting on the bed, thumbing thru the pics prior to deleting them. And that would be AFTER she had slit Travis' throat. While she may not have intended to take that pic, she WAS aware it had been taken for SHE was the one who deleted the pic! And, because it was a new camera and serial number would be easy to track, she did not want not keep it. Rather than tossing it an someone finding it, she threw it in the washer to make it look, perhaps, accidentally deposited there by Travis.

But to nonchalantly look at the pics of the man she had made love with, laughed with, shared intimacies... and then surprised him by brutally murdering him, ignoring his pleas for assistance... that is just cold. Cold. Premeditated and carried out in the coldest self righteous fashion. Eh, zap her. A nice electric cattle probe up her rear would do it well, IMO. Let her die as she lived using her ass as her connection with life.

Really hope that Juan uses that logic in his closing (in red), I think you nailed it!!!... some fog... you sit and sift through and delete pics after such a brutal slaying.. very cold indeed! Depraved indifference... even if it was in SD (and it was most definitely premed..) just the fact that she sat and deleted pictures, attempted to remove her trace evidence, didn't report goes to state of mind.. she is a cold, calculating, heartless murderer! No arguments from me!! jmoo

justanopinion wrote:trying this again... thought someone might comment on Travis with a gun!!

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/04/08/new-photos-travis-alexander

some new Photos...

Bmore wrote:june she even admitted that the camera could have been kicked down the hall because she won't admit to picking it up during the fight for her life and TA didn't... the shoe pic was down by the bedroom facing into the bathroom and his feet towards the bathroom. we don't know that she drug him by his arms, myself I would have used his feet since they were closest to the bathroom... she even said when show the pic on the stand something like you don't even know if he's dead in that picture... that stuck out to me... what kind of sh!tty person says that on trial for the DP?

18thcenturylady wrote:

Junebug wrote:

I just have a hard time believing that the camera went down the hall to the edge of the bedroom, then up the hall for the last pic of while he was being dragged.

I am open to any thoughts. I was just now thinking maybe she was wearing a hoodie with a large front pocket she stuck it in and it fell out twice taking pics. I just think it had to "travel" with her some way, mostly because of the last pic.

June, that is the absolute best idea I have heard. I wear a hoodie sweat here most days and am always jamming something in the front pocket thing temporarily to get it out of my way...

Bmore wrote:i'm waiting to find out if the Dt is giving me the migraines or other meds, or just a bad brain at this point... It's been constant for weeks, took all my Rx and had to get more out of cycle and it cost me more $$$. i feel like i have brain damage, i type alot backwards and have to correct it, the typos OMG.... I leave entire words out... lol Please JM save my brain... lol

Bmore wrote:why would she attach her strap to his camera? it would have her dna on it from rubbing her neck? it would be another thing for her to have to deal with collecting... all her stuff was in the car remember? she said so lol...

Bmore wrote:carla I know... He seems like such a great guy and such a cutie.. Sad enough to know he was murdered but to have the images in your head on how he suffered and fought to survive...

Bmore wrote:i'm waiting to find out if the Dt is giving me the migraines or other meds, or just a bad brain at this point... It's been constant for weeks, took all my Rx and had to get more out of cycle and it cost me more $$$. i feel like i have brain damage, i type alot backwards and have to correct it, the typos OMG.... I leave entire words out... lol Please JM save my brain... lol

auman58 wrote:

18thcenturylady wrote:This whole crime was a botch job from start to finish. I keep shaking my head and ok, smirking a little just thinking about her "my IQ can be compared to Einstein's" BS!
Just for starters, who borrows money from someone (Paul Stern) and tells them they have "got to get to Mesa to see my boyfriend" (OOPS!) and then goes to unreal lengths to pretend like she was never near the state of AZ??!!!

You just reminded me to fill up the gas cans in the trunk. There aren't any gas stations between here and the beach.lol
She is SO full of crap.

Bmore wrote:june she even admitted that the camera could have been kicked down the hall because she won't admit to picking it up during the fight for her life and TA didn't... the shoe pic was down by the bedroom facing into the bathroom and his feet towards the bathroom. we don't know that she drug him by his arms, myself I would have used his feet since they were closest to the bathroom... she even said when show the pic on the stand something like you don't even know if he's dead in that picture... that stuck out to me... what kind of sh!tty person says that on trial for the DP?

18thcenturylady wrote:This whole crime was a botch job from start to finish. I keep shaking my head and ok, smirking a little just thinking about her "my IQ can be compared to Einstein's" BS!
Just for starters, who borrows money from someone (Paul Stern) and tells them they have "got to get to Mesa to see my boyfriend" (OOPS!) and then goes to unreal lengths to pretend like she was never near the state of AZ??!!!

Bmore wrote:she didn't have alot of time before the room-mate came home... if she was going to just shoot him she'd have more time.... the knife wasn't his so she brought that too... big mess to clean up... those pics sucked for a "professional" so I don't think she was taking the time to prepare for a photoshoot... I think she would of also had all her stuff in the car so she'd be ready to bolt afterwards... I'm still leaning towards she was on the road then came back and he didn't know...

Mylife101 wrote:

18thcenturylady wrote:This whole crime was a botch job from start to finish. I keep shaking my head and ok, smirking a little just thinking about her "my IQ can be compared to Einstein's" BS!
Just for starters, who borrows money from someone (Paul Stern) and tells them they have "got to get to Mesa to see my boyfriend" (OOPS!) and then goes to unreal lengths to pretend like she was never near the state of AZ??!!!

This Paul Stern bothers me a lot. There is no way to verify that Paul stern ever gave JA cash or that she promptly paid him back. I have wondered if he is just a fame seeker who knew her/or of her at the place they hung out where JA used the computers. As far as we know, the whole story was already out and the trial well under way before this guy even surfaced. JM certainly hasn't asked JA about borrowing cash from a Paul Stern and telling him she was going to Mesa to see her boyfriend. It certainly speaks to premeditation and I think JM would have brought this up if he had reason to believe it actually happened. I mean, really, how hard would it be for this guy to make up this story since it involves cash and is unverifiable? I suspect he might be a 15 minutes of fame seeker trying to capitalize on this murder trial. What do you all think?

Mari 68 wrote:18th Lady!!!!!


Today is your day!!!!!

Juan's REBUTTAL!!!


Get your popcorn, warm fuzzy blanky, cup of tea, and plop those feet up!

carlakay wrote:

Mylife101 wrote:

Yes, that is why the defense wants the gunshot first. But by their own admission, if we are to believe the gunshot came first,...then it did not cause unconsciousness because JA had to chase him down and stab him to death. This is still cruelty and suffering....which is why she wants us to believe she can't remember the cruel stab wounds...like somehow not remembering makes them irrelevant to cruelty. NOT!

Other reports have stated that the part of the brain the bullet traveled through might or might not have caused unconsiousness. Maybe even a very temporary unconsciousness? Not possible to conclusively state because of decomp. Even the ME acknowledges this. If not rendered unconscious, he would likely have been in considerable pain and confused, but not necessarily immobile. Many people have survived gun shot wounds to the head and not been down for the count immediately after being wounded. I just think it is a possibility, IMO.

EXACTLY!!! Jodi's version has him still walking n talking n coming after her in a threatening manner (hells bells even IF her version were true..his behaviour after being shot could arguably be due to the pain and shock he would of undoubtedly have experienced..not necessarily anger or intent upon killing her) so again I am gonna say what does it even matter..at this point..which wound came first? I don't think it does anymore.

Ya know what has me completely confused tho? WTH did the defense not call in their own M.E. to explain what I bolded in your post above? I can't recall a case where there wasn't at least 2 M.E.'s giving their opinion to support the claims of both prosecutor and defense. weird

Bmore wrote:thanks it's just horrible...

auman58 wrote:

18thcenturylady wrote:This whole crime was a botch job from start to finish. I keep shaking my head and ok, smirking a little just thinking about her "my IQ can be compared to Einstein's" BS!
Just for starters, who borrows money from someone (Paul Stern) and tells them they have "got to get to Mesa to see my boyfriend" (OOPS!) and then goes to unreal lengths to pretend like she was never near the state of AZ??!!!

You just reminded me to fill up the gas cans in the trunk. There aren't any gas stations between here and the beach.lol
She is SO full of crap.

Bmore wrote:carla they run in my family, my one daughter started with them at 4... they blame ours on hormones but i don't know what hormone issues a 4 yo can have? I got a new Rx to try 2 months ago for 2 months and since then they've been pretty much daily... I'm waiting for it to get out of my system now and then hopefully we're back to 6 a month... lol

Bmore wrote:i'm waiting to find out if the Dt is giving me the migraines or other meds, or just a bad brain at this point... It's been constant for weeks, took all my Rx and had to get more out of cycle and it cost me more $$$. i feel like i have brain damage, i type alot backwards and have to correct it, the typos OMG.... I leave entire words out... lol Please JM save my brain... lol

Mylife101 wrote:

18thcenturylady wrote:This whole crime was a botch job from start to finish. I keep shaking my head and ok, smirking a little just thinking about her "my IQ can be compared to Einstein's" BS!
Just for starters, who borrows money from someone (Paul Stern) and tells them they have "got to get to Mesa to see my boyfriend" (OOPS!) and then goes to unreal lengths to pretend like she was never near the state of AZ??!!!

This Paul Stern bothers me a lot. There is no way to verify that Paul stern ever gave JA cash or that she promptly paid him back. I have wondered if he is just a fame seeker who knew her/or of her at the place they hung out where JA used the computers. As far as we know, the whole story was already out and the trial well under way before this guy even surfaced. JM certainly hasn't asked JA about borrowing cash from a Paul Stern and telling him she was going to Mesa to see her boyfriend. It certainly speaks to premeditation and I think JM would have brought this up if he had reason to believe it actually happened. I mean, really, how hard would it be for this guy to make up this story since it involves cash and is unverifiable? I suspect he might be a 15 minutes of fame seeker trying to capitalize on this murder trial. What do you all think?

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Image Authentication and Forensics

The Story in Your Eyes

Hany Farid | Monday, June 4, 2012 at 8:45AM

In an earlier post (“Photo forensics from eyes”) I described how the reflection of a light source on a person’s eye can be used to detect inconsistencies in lighting in an image. The reason why this works is that the surface of the eye is partially reflective and so the surrounding environment is reflected on the surface of the eye. Because the reflection of the light is typically very bright, it remains visible even in low resolution photos. If you have a high resolution image, it may be possible to take this approach one step further and reconstruct a fairly detailed image of what a person is looking at.

Though the surface of an eye behaves somewhat like a mirror, the curvature of the eye significantly distorts the reflection. And, the eye is not a perfect reflector, so the reflection is reduced in overall contrast and quality. Because the shape and reflective properties of the human eye are well understood, however, these distortions can be modeled and removed. With a sufficiently high resolution image, this means that an image of what a person sees can be “peeled” from the surface of an eye (see “The World in an Eye“ by Nishino and Nayar for complete details).

Shown below, for example, are three images of a person’s eye and a reconstruction of what they are looking at. The reconstruction is of sufficient quality that it is even possible to read the large text on the computer screen that the person on the far left was reading.


Read more:

http://www.fourandsix.com/blog/2012/6/4/the-story-in-your-eyes.html


The World in an Eye

Ko Nishino S, Shree K. Nayar
Department of Computer Science, Columbia University
New York, NY

http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/CAVE/publications/pdfs/Nishino_CVPR04.pdf

Bmore wrote:she didn't have alot of time before the room-mate came home... if she was going to just shoot him she'd have more time.... the knife wasn't his so she brought that too... big mess to clean up... those pics sucked for a "professional" so I don't think she was taking the time to prepare for a photoshoot... I think she would of also had all her stuff in the car so she'd be ready to bolt afterwards... I'm still leaning towards she was on the road then came back and he didn't know...

Weeziethm wrote:

Freckles wrote:Bmore-
SNIPPED: Why else show alarm IF he knew she was in the bathroom taking pics and with his consent as she would have his believe?

@ 51:50 The enlarged eye without the markings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-_cfpaDs7w

I don't think he knew she was there. He seemed relaxed in the shower; almost to the point of being lost in his thoughts, praying even. Most of the pics were dark/blurry meaning maybe she took them secretly while he showered. The face shot was clear and bright. Alarm may have occurred by her surprising him (ie,popping up) in her Ninja black hooded sweatshirt - that would cause alarm and may have even startled him enough to slip in the shower to a seated position. Then he just stares in an effort to figure out what is going on.

Just adding more cents!

ETA: Would have been more alarming if she had the knife in her mouth.