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Post by Puzzler Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:33 am

Calypso wrote:Second Gas Mask Found At Far Corner


Bone-chilling to see the picture with the little pink flip-flops among the blood outside the theatre.

First couple of days the public heard there may be another person involved...then all of a sudden, all that talk stopped!
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Post by Puzzler Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:00 am

Calypso - TY for the videos.
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Post by Freckles Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:09 am

Excellent work in getting the links, Cali!
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Post by Calypso Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:32 am

7/28/2012 -- Colorado Shooter = Father is SENIOR SCIENTIST w/ FICO -- to testify @ LIBOR

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Post by Calypso Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:32 am

Question Everything~

Theatre shooter had help 2012

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Post by Calypso Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:36 am

The audio of the 9-11 call may disappear, here's another copy~

URGENT: AUDIO COLORADO SHOOTING! COVER UP SECOND SUSPECT GOT AWAY PT.1

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Post by Calypso Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:37 am

Part 2

COLORADO SHOOTING AUDIO PT. 2~ UNIDENTIFIED EXPLORER~elements of our government

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Post by Calypso Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:50 am

Make sure you guys read the COMMENTS.

There are more links within the comments.

I just don't have the time to post them all.

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Post by Calypso Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:52 am

7/21/2012 -- FBI theater attack warning issued on May 17, 2012

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Post by Calypso Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:59 am


http://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-FBI-TheaterAttacks.pdf



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Post by Calypso Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:50 am

What do you think?

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Post by justanopinion Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:28 am

i was looking at some of the interviews of the survivors of this tragedy this guy is something else...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFZ7C5-h_m4



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Judge bans cameras after footage sparks chatter of drugged suspect in Aurora Theatre Massacre

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Post by justanopinion Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:15 pm

Calypso wrote:Judge bans cameras after footage sparks chatter of drugged suspect in Aurora Theatre Massacre



JMO but there are numerous reasons why someone would act in this manner. Self induced medicating with street drugs could be one... the appearance of them in the court room for arraignment could also be caused from not sleeping well ...

That said, this is an interesting article...
http://www.popcenter.org/problems/mental_illness/

as well as:http://www.sane.org/information/factsheets-podcasts/203-drugs-and-mental-illness

I am not saying this person was diagnosed with mental illness, but you do have to be outside of the norm to do something like this! I think that it is very easy to want to somehow justify why we aren't allowed all of the information (ie: cameras in court) or to find some explanation that soothes our mind as to why this could not be someone we know that would act in such a GRIEVOUS manner. again just some things I am thinking and my opinion/thought process only.
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Post by Calypso Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:00 pm

I agree, there are many reasons why Holmes could have appeared this way.

However, one thing is for sure, and we'd all agree, he didn't appear as previously reported as some tazmanian devil spitting at everyone.
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Post by Puzzler Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:41 pm

There's "more" to this than we've heard about.

It's said that the weapons and ammo Holme's used cost about $20,000.

Where did that money come from?

How did he have that kind of money?

Was the money supplied to Holmes by someone else?
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Post by Puzzler Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:13 pm

The psychiatrist apparently did report Holmes and that he could potentially be a danger to others.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31324092/detail.html

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Post by Freckles Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:42 pm

What a treasure trove of vids/info to explore.
Will be watching those tonight.
Thanks for all the research, the links, the sharing and the super sleuthing.

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Post by justanopinion Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:18 pm

Puzzler wrote:The psychiatrist apparently did report Holmes and that he could potentially be a danger to others.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31324092/detail.html


Some of the comments below this article are really harsh.. My understanding from working in a field where confidentiality was paramount ... is that in order to report we required that there be an immediate and immanent danger to self or others. As well we were required to be able to state in specific terms why it was immediate and immanent. Did they discuss a specific plan, did they have the means, did they have a timeframe in which to complete the plan etc... Just can't be a hunch or a gut feeling or based on some blanket statement... ie: if things at my work don't get better I am going to go all postal! That kind of a statement is considered faulty thinking, an expression of frustration/anger, or attention seeking behaviour; It is not proof of immanent or immediate danger and therefore not reportable. If he was becoming more anxious or irrational it is still not meeting the criterion for reporting.

An example from personal experience is a young man who was manipulative and violent. He was a pedophile and had attempted to suffocate his victim. Because he was considered "not criminally responsible" he was in a care facility. He was never allowed anywhere without two staff accompanying him. He told his psychiatrist that if the opportunity ever existed he would kill one staff and then the other because we prevented him from his behaviours. He had a specific plan on how he would accomplish this, it was reported to our staff unofficially. It could not be put on record, could not be reported to the agency and could not be reported to the police. The psychiatrist felt the need to protect the staff but without a specific timeline was unable to do anything official. Just sharing what has been my experience and therefore what colours my opinion!

The treating Psychiatrist was in a tough spot without any specifics she really could only discuss it with her peers as a consult situation. JMO
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Post by Alessandra_Deux Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:40 pm

Could deadly Colorado shooting have been prevented?

Colorado shooting
August 2, 2012
By: Karen Petersen

~Snipped~

The Denver Post later reported that Dr. Lynne Fenton, a member of the threat-assessment team at the University of Colorado, Denver, was so disturbed by Holmes' behavior that she shared her concerns with members of the school's Behavioral Evaluation and Threat Assessment team. The Post, citing an unnamed, but credible source, said no further action was taken.

Fenton shared her concerns in early June, approximately six weeks before Holmes went on his alleged shooting spree. No action was taken, reportedly because Holmes was in the process of dropping out of school as a Ph.D. student in neuroscience. He officially withdrew on June 10. The shooting occurred on July 20.

http://www.examiner.com/article/psychiatric-review-could-deadly-colorado-shooting-have-been-prevented
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Post by Calypso Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:23 am

The school is going to do everything to cover themselves, think Kyron Horman.

The woman, who helped get this program off the ground, Fenton, was treating him.

She reached out to fellow BETA members to convene....BUT....(Pee Wee Herman said it best- "Everyone has a BIG BUT") it never happened since "James Holmes began the process of dropping out of school".

IF Holmes failed his oral exam, on June 7th, and they said (Who is "they") Holmes dropped out of the CU Ph.D Neuroscience program on June 10, and, Holmes lost his access to secure areas of the school June 12, according to the CU spokeswoman (which is again, an un-named source). What did Holmes have access to in those two days prior to the shooting in the "secure areas" of the school?

WOULD James Holmes have dropped out if he passed this oral exam?

Here's where it gets confusing~

It's been said this was "months in the planning"- was his hard work and education all for nothing since he was planning in advance to massacre all those people?

Was there not enough time prior to Holmes "dropping out" of school to justify getting an emergency conference together? Apparently, there weren't enough imminent danger signals to notify the police- otherwise a call would have been made.

(At the very least, if the conference was able to convene, based on the concerns of Fenton, perhaps the group would have be able to short circuit Holmes alleged plans?)




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Post by Calypso Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:34 am

I'm not suggesting it is Fentons fault, lets be clear.

The responsibility of Holmes actions are just that, the actions of James Holmes who will be held accountable in a court of law.

It is interesting, despite a gag order, what information actually leaks out.
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Post by Calypso Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:37 am

Thanks for the info, Justanopinion.
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Post by Freckles Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:07 am

Calypso wrote:The audio of the 9-11 call may disappear, here's another copy~

URGENT: AUDIO COLORADO SHOOTING! COVER UP SECOND SUSPECT GOT AWAY PT.1

Any transcript available? Back ground noise crosses along with sirens and radio static

Starting at @ 4:05 : Suspect is located; car is located; weapons located;


@ 5:00 : Door is locked to theater? Can't get inside to get victims from this location
@6:40 : "One of the shooters might be wearing a white and blue plaid shirt..."
@ 7:16: channel 2, channel 3 designations for communications; 2 inside, 3 outside
@7:36: establishing a perimeter
@7:58: comments re patients unstable, call fro doors to be locked
@8:01: report of witness giving a description;dispatch asks how many you got?
@8:13 : bringing victims out; puts it at 10;
@8:27: complaint as one ambulance there, "where's my ambulances at?"
@8:40: staging at NW/corner of theater; wants doors locked; entrance off Alameda;
@9:17: back of theater, old Sports Authority ?
@9:31: clearing all the rest of the theater (other than theater 9);
@9:44: victim states he was shot through one of the eyes
@9:50: "We have an assault rifle, we have an, uh, ??"
@9:56: officer states a need to start taking some of the victims by cars; "got a whole bunch of people shot out here and no rescue."

@10:01: someone says, yah, move them out of here; "got one he can not move he is feeling numb";
@10:07: asks all rescue to be sent to him as soon as they are available;
@10:10: Dispatch asks to be notified as to what hospitals each person will be taken to; asks all hospitals be notified;
@10:45: If they are mobile, get them outside; got a few who aren't mobile; need rescue crew right away;
@10:55: One patient shot;checking for injured people and parties who might be armed;
@11:05: two cars at (Memory Point?);need rescue, patrol cars on east side;
@11:40: officer states he is already identifying parties who saw it unfold; says a need to stop people and ask questions as to what they saw;
@12:00: Asked if anyone has been on the stairs in the theater; answered they are working on it now;

@12:10: Asked if bodies upstairs; clearing it now; instructions to check behind the screens; says they are open screens; one critical, "49" ?,

@12:43: call for "any available patrol car back there with an ambulance"
@12:52: get them to the rear of the theater; have officers there;

@13:00: requesting ??? for multiple victims; officers there for security; best they can do at this point;
@13:08: cars changing channels to "Blue South Beach" ???
@14:11: dispatch states there are more injuries; officer has victims in patrol cars;
@14:20: " Denver numbers" called off: 2-32, 2-34. 2-10? (Is Denver code for dead?)

@14:33: Denver numbers 2-28, 2-31, etc.
@15:00: Officer asks where is command post; directly N of theater, 14?? E Alameda Ave:
@15: 55: Appears to be staging: more officers on scene and being told which parking lot to go to; updates
@16:07: reported a construction worker stated a person "came poking around the parking lot with a red back pack" ? headed toward Alameda;

@16:23: someone with a black backpack is going through the RV ?
@16:33: suspect is male, unk age, (black towel?) outside outfit, wearing a vest, gas mask, and multiple long guns;

@17:50: Dispatch said: ... came back listed as a James Holmes;


@18:00: officer states got enough in one area "let's get some police officers back ..."
Continues to say too many are segregating (congregating???) in front of store; order for no cars to leave the block; wants it locked down; sending in to transport victims unless told otherwise; order to keep ALL the theater people to stay there, doors locked; wants to start segregating people;


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Post by Freckles Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:20 am

An assortment of links at this site:

http://www.examiner.com/topic/james-holmes
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Post by Freckles Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:32 am

Calypso wrote:What do you think?

@ 0:47: good ref pic. Notice the gun in upper R/S, the footprints of blood leading away from upper R/S along side walk; they pass IN FRONT of the car and no where near the vehicle, let alone the trunk of Holmes' vehicle.



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Post by Freckles Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:39 am

Lori Schaffer: Coached?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMNOP0YK8Sg&feature=player_embedded#!
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Post by Calypso Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:22 am

Thank you, Freckles.

Here's one, see if anyone notices anything.
HINT: SAFETY FIRST.

Cops blew up the explosives they didn't find in the apartment

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Post by Freckles Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:24 am

Calypso wrote:Thank you, Freckles.

Here's one, see if anyone notices anything.
HINT: SAFETY FIRST.

Cops blew up the explosives they didn't find in the apartment

LOL! Old, outdated and unstable, IMO.
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Post by Calypso Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:28 am

C.N.N Reports: No Explosives Found in Aurora Shooter's Apartment



Anyone else confused?

No explosives, and yet, the above video, it shows bombs being detonated.

The HINT of SAFTEY FIRST was because I didn't notice anyone wearing PROTECTIVE GEAR.
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Post by Freckles Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:31 am

Well, I wish Val was here to explain a few things. sigh. Have to go to my sources now.

If those explosives could have "blown up a multi-story apartment complex) why didn't the concrete blocks shift?
Why is everyone calmly standing about? Why are there vehicles so casually parked? And why didn't they carefully lift the items out from the back of the truck instead of over the side as if it was an empty box?
No one had o any safety gear at all.
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Post by Calypso Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:49 am

hehehe

Ooops, Sorry! I thought I was the only one!
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Colorado Rampage Sequence (Recreation Update)

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Aurora, Colorado Shooting: Inside James Holmes' Apartment

https://youtu.be/uxOwgvgfP1Y

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Published on Jul 20, 2012 by ABCNews
Police find trip wires, booby traps in alleged shooter's home.

Says he had taken Vicodin prior to the attack, as well as describe Holmes's apt.
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Post by snowbird Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:19 pm

Thanks Calypso for the 911 tapes, boy they were hard to listen to. I am so impressed with the dispatch keeping her calm while the police were trying to secure place and getting help for the people shot. I don' t know if people give enough credit to the dispatchers.
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Post by snowbird Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:47 pm

Calypso wrote:What do you think?


I don't understand why the police would say there was no other shooter, if their was in fact two. If their was another shooter then there would be prints on the second gas mask and knife if there was a knife. This would not go so well at trail if there are different prints then Holmes. The only way I would think that their were two shooters and they are not reporting this is because their's still an investigation going on.

I did read the homeland security report and found it quiet disturbing. This report will be in my mind when I go to the show. I wonder if Holmes show how got a hand on this report and though he may get away and they would look for terrorist.
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Post by Freckles Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:30 pm

Calypso wrote:Aurora, Colorado Shooting: Inside James Holmes' Apartment

https://youtu.be/uxOwgvgfP1Y

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Published on Jul 20, 2012 by ABCNews
Police find trip wires, booby traps in alleged shooter's home.

Says he had taken Vicodin prior to the attack, as well as describe Holmes's apt.
So they say. I will tell you, this is mighty suspicious IMO.
"THEY" aid robot's were sent in; pics were taken; evaluation was given based upon the pics. Ok. Then surely THEY would have no objection in sharing the pics? Or maybe, telling us more about the type of explosives, the quantity, etc. Heck, we heard ALL about that in OK City. And Waco. Etc.. Why are they not telling us now?

Because they are not talking, IMO, something is hinky here.
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Post by Estee Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:32 pm

I have a weird feeling about this case...I think this guy is too smart for his britches and knows how to "act" like a looney toon...Watch him get committed...
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Post by Puzzler Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:08 pm

snowbird wrote:Thanks Calypso for the 911 tapes, boy they were hard to listen to. I am so impressed with the dispatch keeping her calm while the police were trying to secure place and getting help for the people shot. I don' t know if people give enough credit to the dispatchers.

Ditto - I had the same impression.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:12 am

Jane Velez Mitchell

Shooting victim's mom: University dropped the ball

By HLNtv.com Staff
updated 11:30 AM EDT, Fri August 03, 2012

•James Holmes faces 142 charges in Colorado movie theater shooting
•Psychiatrist went to university in "the first 10 days" of June to discuss concerns about Holmes
•Shirley Wygal's daughter, Rebecca Wingo, was one of the 12 killed in the shooting



http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/08/03/holmes-colorado-shooting-university-psychiatrist
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Post by Estee Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:34 am

Oh, great...so now we will have a slew of people pressing charges against the university...Just like the Sandusky case...No wonder tuition costs keep rising...
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Post by Puzzler Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:57 am

Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged


Friday, July 20, 2012

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html





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Post by Calypso Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:26 pm

Thoughts to ponder~

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Post by Calypso Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:10 pm

Interesting video~



He brings up some good points. James Holmes Shoots 71, Kills 12, During Midinight Showing of 'Dark Night Rises' At Colorado Movie Theater - Page 5 88030
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Post by Calypso Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:32 pm

UGH!!!

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Post by Calypso Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:43 pm

ABC News Jumped the Gun about James Holmes



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Post by Calypso Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:43 pm

James Eagon Holmes Defense Attorney Q&A Partial

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Post by Calypso Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:32 pm

When People Know The Truth False Flags Won't Fly




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Post by Calypso Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:30 pm

Police enter apartment James Holmes Clear Booby Trapped



James Holmes Apartment is Booby trapped - Batman Dark Knight Shooter



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Post by Freckles Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:46 pm

This has been bugging me.
Usually, when a shooter or killer lets go, isn't it usually (or always?) directed AT those who offended, upset, disappointed him?

Look at Columbine, the McDonald's shootings, even in the south the activities of the KKK. Gang-bangers might take out innocents but they are trying for a specific target.

It just doesn't fit a profile. If the school evoked negative feelings would he not have directed his activities toward THEM?
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