Kyron Horman's Mom Plans To File CIVIL SUIT AGAINST TERRI HORMAN!

Marica wrote:Curious... The damage.. those you have mentioned,
and the many little kids Kyron knew at school..
Imagine what this has done to them. You know those
kids have been affected and probably some will bear
the scars for life. There are no doubt people around
the world who have had sleepless nights.. I know I have..
My grandson, just 5 years old always asks about
"the little boy that got lost"..
Until my "Bring Kyron Home band" broke I wore it all
of the time and Connor would touch it and ask about Kyron.

She cannot undo the damage she has done, but she could at
least give some peace to those who love and care about Kyron
by telling us where he is.

Terri.. WHERE is Kyron???

art tart wrote:

CuriousPortlander wrote:

Hi, Soprano1! When you think about all the people impacted by this case, the collateral damage is staggering! Kyron, James, Kiara, Kaine, Desiree, Tony, other family, friends, teachers...just mind boggling that one person's selfishness can cause so much damage to so many. Heartbreaking!

Soprano1 & CuriousPortlander, to add to the list of collateral damage TMH has caused are all the grandparent's, Dersiree's other son & Kyron's step brother, & the childen Kyron attended school with that thought they were safe in the little Skyline School.

It's sad imo, to see Desiree so angry w/Kaine though I understand it. Desiree/Kaine seemed to have had a good co-parenting relationship until Kyron's disappearance, now Desiree is angry as to some of the behaviors of Terri that transpired in the Horman home. imo, Kaine would have never, never, put Kyron in harms way if he had only known how unstable TMH really was.

Anger is one of the stages of grief & clearly Desiree is entitled to everybit of her anger, but, it seems there were some warning signs. I AM NOT JUDGING, just as in Caylee's murder, there were warning signs as to KC's lies, theft, high risk behavior, but in my heart of hearts, I trully don't believe George nor Cindy thought KC would murder Caylee. In reading some of the old articles yesterday & today, it stated how much complaining Terri had done in emails to Desiree daily, sometimes more than one or two emails complaining about Kyron, Kaine, Kyron's teacher even claiming TMH thought "she should have the teacher's job." It seems TMH was a miserable person & imo, blamed other's for her own unhappiness.

I have been thinking what have we learned from Kyron's case that contributed to his disappearance? That perhaps lax school protocol if ONLY for a day lead to the disappearance of Kyron. Lax sign in policy, parent's on campus, although all the visitors have been reported to have been vetted. Lack of cameras IF ONLY AT THE EXITS & parking lot of the school allowed Kyron to leave Skyline, with or without someone. The time laspe from the time Kyron disappeared until the time he didn't get off the school bus, the hours used by the assumed murderer imo, to cover their tracks, the lack of reporting of Kyron being absent, checked out, or present.

There is enough blame to go around, but imo, Terri took full advantage of the altered school schedule that day, it's not a suprise she incorporated the science fair setting up her alibi that she & Kyron did indeed attend w/pictures she quickly put on the internet. She chose the date of the Science Fair, imo, to incorporate into the extensive premeditation that lead to Kyron's probable murder.

will she ever be charged? imo, maybe not. what would LE have to have to make charges? a witness? a video? the remains? BUT, something w/the remains imo is going to have to link back to TMH. DeDe talking? A disposable phone that DeDe/TMH used the day Kyron disappeared & then disposed of the same day? A sighting of someone seeing TMH dumping something from Kaine's truck? It's been 2 years & there are no answers to these questions, imo, it may be that only DeDe knows the truth & I can't see any incentive for her to ever talk, even if she were to be given full immunity, she would live like KC the rest of her life. jmo.

Evening friends, I know I am so elated at the movement in this case today & I know those following this case feel the same. It means, PLENTY of movement is yet to come. Though it is a tiny step, it validates the miserable position Kaine & Desiree are both in as loving parent's & the Judge clearly recognizes their position, as he does Terri's, that she doesn't want to answer for anything, especially about Kyron. imo, she may sit there & claim the 5th over & over & over, but it only makes her look more guilty imo.

Sadly this case has shown how few rights children abducted, kidnapped, abused or murdered have in our country. Kyron is just a little boy that had loving parent's, but his right's imo to be found are as great as Terri's rights to protect her sorry butt from possibly going to jail the rest of her life, imo. I coninue to be perplexed that we live in the greatest country on earth, yet our children have few rights, especially against abusers.

Judge says suit against Terri Horman can go forward now

August 15, 2012

PORTLAND, Ore. — A Portland judge has ruled that a lawsuit against the stepmother of a missing Oregon boy can go forward, denying her request for a two-year delay.

Judge Henry Kantor said Wednesday the delay sought by Terri Horman, stepmother of Kyron Horman, wouldn't serve a purpose.

Terri Horman said the civil suit would be a proxy for a criminal investigation — detectives have focused on her, although they haven't called her a suspect — that would carry a lower burden of proof than a criminal trial.

Read more:

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120815/NEWS07/208150355/-1/NEWSMAP

Desiree is Kyron's birthmother and is also married to a cop or ex-cop. The last time she saw Kyron he cried and said he did not want to go home ...but...she sent him home and five days later he was gone.
Desiree was in the hospital when Kaine hired Terri to be the nanny then he married Terri and she became the step-mother. People go crazy when I say I suspect all of them even Desiree. Certain theories:
1. Did you know a man attended the Science Fair that morning he is a piano teacher of children and his wife heads up A Witness Protection Program for children..this supports a theory Desiree may have made this arrangement to remove Kyron and put him in a "safe place."
2. All I ever saw in the months following Kyron's disappearance was Desiree and those braids..the hair extensions...seriously what DEVASTATED mother has time for this process I hear it takes eight hours (I'd be pulling my hair out not getting it done) and what is really behind it JEALOUSY OF TERRI.who has beautiful hair.
.3.Tanner Pumala was last one to see Kyron at 8:55 am going downstairs to see the "cool electric thing"
His father happens to be an electrician apprentice and lives on Sauvie Island on a boat. Terry the Whoreman's car was seen speeding around the island that morning.
4. When they were on Oprah, Desiree did not let Kaine get two words in WHY?
5. So we have what I call a holographic insert this placed into our mind by the words of a child "Kyron went downstairs to see the cool electric thing." What cool electric thing were there exhibits in the basement level of the school...or are we being played as fools..?
6. Terri says she saw Kyron with a man at the end of the hall...there were no male chaperones and people had to register that morning there was some security in place..
7. Dave the Groundskeeper expresses a clear disdain for children in his interview he only works on Fridays was cutting the lawn that morning but cannot recall when he left. He typically leaves at 9:00 Kyron was seen at 8:55 am. He says he saw the children run out and hoped they wouldn't come back to where he was working so...where was the chaperone then and which boys were with him?
8.Kyron was seen at the Science Fair as was Terri the Whoreman where was Kiara? Asleep on cough medicine in the car? uh? where was she?
9.His backpack was hanging in the classroom so why didn't the teacher report him absent?
10. He was also slated to sing in the talent show at 1:00 so why didn't that teacher report him missing or absent...

houseofhorus, you indeed ask many good questions that we would like to have answers to.

I work in the school system, it's hectic anytime the school's schedule is different & the campus is open to visitor's. IF that day Kyron disappeared had been a regular school day, his absentence would have been reported immediately & probably a call to his home to find out why he wasn't there. Field day is another example that brings in a lot of parent's, sometimes, children leave the school w/a parent or grandparent & things are usually not a problem, unless, someone has planned to take advantage of the confusion. imo, TMH took full advantage of the schedule, she anticipated the confusion during her premeditation, that unfortuately is what has made this case so difficult to bring charges, bring Kyron home, & resolve.

Judge explains denial of delay in Kyron civil case, calls Terri Horman a 'prime suspect'

by David Krough
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM

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Judge Henry Kantor referred to her as a “prime suspect” in the investigation, although Terri Horman has never been formally named a suspect in any criminal case.

MORE: Read the judge's ruling (PDF)

In papers filed last week, the judge denied granting Terri a stay in the case.

Read more: http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-judge-suspect-166960726.html

Judge calls Terri Horman 'suspect,' rules civil suit can continue

By KATU.com Staff
Last Updated: Aug 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM PDT

~Snipped~

The civil suit and new opinion are separate from any criminal case. So far, police and prosecutors have not named a formal suspect in the two-year-old case.

This is, however, the first time anybody in the legal system has officially called Terri Horman a “suspect.”

Read more: http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-in-civil-case-writes-Terri-Horman-is-suspect-in-Kyron-case-166965376.html

Justice4all wrote:Judge calls Terri Horman 'suspect,' rules civil suit can continue

By KATU.com Staff
Last Updated: Aug 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM PDT

~Snipped~

The civil suit and new opinion are separate from any criminal case. So far, police and prosecutors have not named a formal suspect in the two-year-old case.

This is, however, the first time anybody in the legal system has officially called Terri Horman a “suspect.”

Read more: http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-in-civil-case-writes-Terri-Horman-is-suspect-in-Kyron-case-166965376.html

J4A, Thanks for the link, you just have to laugh. Before now, the ONLY person referring to TMH as a "suspect" was her own, high priced attorney, Houze & he probably mis-spoke! There is no doubt TMH has always been the only person of interest OR suspect, they seem to have accumulated a lot of evidence against her, but not enough for an arrest.

I have read several times that Houze has repeatedly ask LE for evidence on TMH & LE has refused, but, imo, it may be because she hasn't been charged as of yet with any crime so they don't have to do so. If ever she is, then the Defense would have to get that information through Discovery from the State Prosecutor's. imo, TMH's attorney would like to somehow clear her name but at this rate, until TMH decides to be honest her name may never be cleared nor should it.

Terri Horman deposition, document production is delayed in Desiree Young's civil suit, judge rules

Published: Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 4:16 PM Updated: Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 5:39 PM
By Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian

Brent Wojahn/The Oregonian
Desiree Young, left, and her attorney, Elden Rosenthal, listen to Terri Horman's lawyer, Peter Bunch, argue for a delay in Young's civil suit at a hearing last week in Multnomah County Circuit Court.

Multnomah County Judge Henry Kantor has issued a written order, backing up his court ruling last week that allowed Desiree Young's civil suit to proceed against Terri Horman.

Yet while the ruling allows pre-trial discovery of evidence and witnesses to go forward, Kantor has agreed to delay any deposition testimony of Horman, or required document production from Horman.

Read more:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/08/terri_horman_deposition_docume.html

Here's a link to the Judge's written order:

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/kyron+judge+doc+821.pdf

I had been wondering why the previous judge (that dealt with the divorce) kept issuing a delay in the divorce proceedings. According to this order, that judge hasn't been making that decision since he made the first decision to delay; instead KH and TMH have been stipulating to the repeated delays. I didn't know that.

CuriousPortlander wrote:Here's a link to the Judge's written order:

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/kyron+judge+doc+821.pdf

I had been wondering why the previous judge (that dealt with the divorce) kept issuing a delay in the divorce proceedings. According to this order, that judge hasn't been making that decision since he made the first decision to delay; instead KH and TMH have been stipulating to the repeated delays. I didn't know that.

Curious Portlander,I seem to remember that since TMH wouldn't answer any of the questions of Kaine's attorney, they re-scheduled time after time. It seems imo, there is no reason that the Divorce can't be granted, they have lived apart nearly 2 years, I think the problem is TMH wants her "property settlement" or her "community property" & that's the rub for Kaine. Think about it. TMH wants monies from Kaine for the property settlement, but TMH needs that money to pay Bunch & Houze & her mounting legal woes. It's outrageous to think that Kaine giving TMH her monies is going to be used by TMH to try to have some attorney save her sorry ass all the while she is holding the answers to Kyron's disappearance.

The Divorce is composed of 3 things: Property Settlement, Final Divorce, & visitation/custody of Kitty/Kiara..

On the other hand, I wouldn't think that TMH's refusal to answer Kaine's questions would prevent Kaine from paying TMH what she is entitled to. Too, the Divorce is further complicated by TMH's wanting some visitation w/Kitty, she seems to have given up on this possibility as visitation isn't going to be granted UNTIL she can answer viable questions, Kitty's utmost safety is at issue. TMH could probably have had supervised visitation HAD she answered Kaine's questions, she can't, she continues to plead the 5th, TMH does not want to give Kaine full custody of Kitty, but apparently that is likely going to be the outcome of the case. I seem to remember that Bunch ask for the delay for the Judge to make a final decision about permanent custody.

Josh Powell has shown us some that have murdered before, have no conscience to murder again, even if it was the boy's he professed to love. It's a volatile situation when someone is under the umbrella of suspicion & are most probably guilty, they have nothing more to lose.

Great points, Art Tart. I totally agree.

According to the 11 p.m. news tonight, a legal analyst stated that TMH would probably never have to be questioned in this civil case, which they said was a win for her defense. GRRR! I wish they could force her to talk (where's truth serum when you need it?). That's the key that unlocks all of this mess.

The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office has issued the following statement:

Today Multnomah County Judge Kantor released a decision in the civil court case concerning the disappearance of Kyron Horman. While there may be rulings regarding the Court's opinions as to how the case may proceed, these rulings/legal opinions are part of the civil court case. The civil case is a process that is independent of the active, ongoing criminal investigation being conducted by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office.

At this time MCSO does not have any new information to release regarding the Kyron Horman investigation. We will release any new information as it becomes available and appropriate for public dissemination.

Source: http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1

CuriousPortlander wrote:Great points, Art Tart. I totally agree.

According to the 11 p.m. news tonight, a legal analyst stated that TMH would probably never have to be questioned in this civil case, which they said was a win for her defense. GRRR! I wish they could force her to talk (where's truth serum when you need it?). That's the key that unlocks all of this mess.

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CuriousPortlander - Rosenthal can start to gather information & do depositions on those such as James or DeDee & can too request cell phone records & phone records of TMH. It is clearly stated that LE isn't going to provide Desiree/Rosenthal information for their lawsuit but it seems Desiree may know alot, such as the hateful emails & they can at least get those. All of that takes a lot of time, it sounds so easy but without subpoenas they can't even get the phone/email records, there is nothing you can do to make the other side cooperate but to continue to take them to court, that's why these cases are notorious for taking years to conclude.

One thing this is going to do is cost TMH out the wazoo! Houze hasn't had to do alot on the Criminal Case so those cost probably aren't high, yet, but Bunch is working on the Divorce/Civil Suit so TMH is accumulating a lot of legal fees & is going to be involved in all aspects of the Civil case. TMH is going to have to pay Bunch to sit through the deposition Rosenthal is going to do on James, LOL, you gotta love that!

Talking about the costs: yes, it's going to cost everyone involved a lot.

TMH - we know she'll have big expenses. I don't know how much Houze/Bunch will require that she pay. I guess the Moulton's put up the retainer for this large case. Will that be all that is required or will Houze/Bunch require more. They're in the same boat as Desiree's attorney, this case will forever help them with their careers...just by their names being attached to the case (no matter what happens in the end).

But....depositions, etc. are costly....how is Desiree going to be able to pay for those? I know she has a fund that folks can donate to to help with the costs - but I'm thinking those donations won't begin to cover the total costs. Her attorney may work on this case pro bono as it's a landmark case and will forever help him in his career...but the actual costs that have to be put out there, excluding the attorney's fees, is going to be a lot of money.

Where there's a will, there's a way....

Kyron Horman's Stepmother Called 'Prime Suspect' by Judge



By ALYSSA NEWCOMB (@alyssanewcomb)
Aug. 22, 2012

The stepmother of missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman was called a "prime suspect" in his disappearance by a judge who ruled a $10 million civil suit against the woman could proceed.

The opinion was issued in the civil case filed by Desiree Young, Kyron's birth mother, against his stepmother Terri Horman.

Terri Horman will not be required to answer any questions in the civil suit, since there is an ongoing criminal investigation into the boy's disappearance.

"The defendant is a prime suspect in the investigation," Circuit Court Judge Henry Kantor wrote, explaining his decision to allow the case to proceed but allowing Terri Horman to avoid a deposition that could potentially incriminate her in the criminal investigation.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/kyron-hormans-stepmother-called-prime-suspect-judge/story?id=17056358

Puzzler wrote:Talking about the costs: yes, it's going to cost everyone involved a lot.

TMH - we know she'll have big expenses. I don't know how much Houze/Bunch will require that she pay. I guess the Moulton's put up the retainer for this large case. Will that be all that is required or will Houze/Bunch require more. They're in the same boat as Desiree's attorney, this case will forever help them with their careers...just by their names being attached to the case (no matter what happens in the end).

But....depositions, etc. are costly....how is Desiree going to be able to pay for those? I know she has a fund that folks can donate to to help with the costs - but I'm thinking those donations won't begin to cover the total costs. Her attorney may work on this case pro bono as it's a landmark case and will forever help him in his career...but the actual costs that have to be put out there, excluding the attorney's fees, is going to be a lot of money.

Where there's a will, there's a way....

Puzzler, Desiree's friend has raised $ 5,000.00 towards the $ 100,000.00 Desiree needs & is the goal for the contributions. There could be more donations now, these figures are for a couple of weeks after Desiree/Rosenthal filed the Civil Suit. Apparently, Rosenthal is not pro bono, I have never heard of a Civil attorney that is pro bono but I guess there might be some, somewhere, unlike some Criminal Attorney's that do occasionally do some criminal cases pro bono. The Civil Case for Desiree is unique in that usually, Civil Attorney's do these cases for 40 % of the Judgement plus cost, but in this case, both Rosenthal/Desiree know there is not going to be any monies recovered from a Judgement, TMH has no money. Surely family might help Desiree defray cost, too, she might have to cash in her retirement, etc., to make the Civil Suit possible, I have no doubt, Desiree is going to do whatever she has to to find little Kyron.

There was a link at "webslueth" that showed the Moultan's refinanced their home for $ 165,000.00 shortly before Houze was retained by TMH. It was rumored she paid $ 300,000.00 but it was never confirmed. I guess her parent's might have had some cash on hand but they are retired teachers probably living on their pensions & now making a house note. LOL, I don't know how Bunch got paid.

Art Tart - TY for the information.

Puzzler, I checked back on the donations for Desiree's defense fund to fight for Justice for Kyron & found that the fund is at $ 8,000.00 with the goal remaining at $ 100,000.00.

Desiree hasn't made a public plea yet that I know of for donations, I too read there is a car wash planned in Sept. to raise monies for the fund. I wish Elizabeth Smart's Foundation would adopt Kyron's cause, she spoke in my city a few weeks ago to raise money for a non-profit for abused children & the cost of a ticket was $ 100.00 per ticket, all monies going to the non-profit.

I have to believe that someone will step forward & help both Desiree & Kaine, it is humbling to see all they have done for little Kyron, the little boy they love so much, a big check for the defense fund or a decent human being like DeDe could just tell what she knows to help ease the pain of these parents. Still praying & hoping.

http://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman#description

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http://www.katu.com/news/local/Americas-Most-Wanted-comes-to-town-to-feature-Kyron-Horman-167927125.html

America's Most Wanted comes to town, will feature Kyron again
Aug. 29, 2012

PORTLAND, Ore. - Kyron Horman's face will once again be shown on national television.

America's Most Wanted was in town for a few days this week doing some shooting for an upcoming feature on the boy's disappearance.

Crews arrived on Monday and left Wednesday after filming at several locations, including the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. The episode will air sometime next month. (snip)

https://www.facebook.com/johnwalshofficial

(a picture of John Walsh interviewing Kaine Horman at the link)

John Walsh (Official)

7 hours ago near Portland, OR.

Interviewing this passionate father whose son is missing. Watch AMW on Friday nights on Lifetime.

Puzzler, thanks for all the links & I am so greatful for any/all publicity for little Kyron, this is great news! I love John Walsh, he can certainly empathize with the unimaginable pain Desiree/Kaine are in daily, it can never be overstated his tireless work for the missing/abducted/murdered.

I too really like Michelle Sagona, she seems at times to get to information other's can't. It's damn time LE says something, I guess they are feeling the pressure to make a statement. No doubt they are going to say the usual BS imo, "ongoing investigation, some new tips trickle in, no planned searches, etc." This case imo, seemed to have stalled & might even be a cold case, BUT, this publicity is much needed & Desiree applying pressure through the Civil Suit is keeping it in the news.

JUSTICE for KYRON!

A short video put out by kptv news wrt America's Most Wanted - John Walsh and Kaine Horman make a few comments:

http://www.kptv.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=7669150

Jane Velez Mitchell

Father of missing Kyron Horman speaks out

By HLNtv.com Staff
updated 11:23 AM EDT, Mon September 03, 2012

•Court documents: Stepmother considered suspect in Kyron Horman disappearance
•Kyron Horman last seen at Oregon school



Seven-year-old Kyron Horman vanished more than two years ago from his school science fair. Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Horman, was one of the last people to see him as she dropped him off at school that day.

Kyron’s biological parents both believe that Terri Horman knows something about what happened to Kyron, but she was given two polygraphs. Police also searched Terri Horman's home and her vehicle.

Terri Horman has never been charged in this case. But now for the first time, there is a legal document calling her a prime suspect.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/08/30/father-missing-kyron-horman-speaks-out

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Jane Velez Mitchell

Father of missing Kyron Horman speaks out

By HLNtv.com Staff
updated 11:23 AM EDT, Mon September 03, 2012

•Court documents: Stepmother considered suspect in Kyron Horman disappearance
•Kyron Horman last seen at Oregon school



Seven-year-old Kyron Horman vanished more than two years ago from his school science fair. Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Horman, was one of the last people to see him as she dropped him off at school that day.

Kyron’s biological parents both believe that Terri Horman knows something about what happened to Kyron, but she was given two polygraphs. Police also searched Terri Horman's home and her vehicle.

Terri Horman has never been charged in this case. But now for the first time, there is a legal document calling her a prime suspect.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/08/30/father-missing-kyron-horman-speaks-out

I just watched the JVM segment. My question, if any one knows : it was said terri can "take the 5th" but not deedee ? can't anyone, even a witness ?

IIRC, a witness may not take the Fifth.
The Fifth is reserved for those persons who are accused or who may be accused.

Jane Velez Mitchell

Where is Kyron Horman?

By HLNtv.com Staff
updated 11:23 AM EDT, Mon September 03, 2012

•Kyron Horman last seen at his Oregon school more than two years ago
•Court documents: His stepmother, Terri Horman, is considered a suspect



http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/08/30/where-kyron-horman

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1209/03/ijvm.01.html

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Stepmom `Prime Suspect` in Kyron`s Disappearance

Aired September 3, 2012 - 19:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL starts next. Stay with us.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, strong words from a judge involved in the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. For the very first time a judge is calling Kyron`s stepmom, Terri Horman, quote, "prime suspect."

Tonight I will speak with Kyron`s father, Kaine Horman, and get his reaction to this latest development. Plus, we`ll find out where the search stands for this adorable little boy who`s been missing for more than two years. Where is young Kyron?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, is there finally a break in the hunt for missing little boy Kyron Horman? And who did a civil judge name as, quote, "the prime suspect" in the child`s disappearance? In an exclusive interview, I`ll talk to Kyron`s dad about what he thinks happened to his precious son.

And it`s like straight out of a soap opera. The man accused of faking his own drowning is now turning the tables and blaming his own son. Were they in cahoots to cash in on a life insurance policy, or is the son just the victim of the dad`s alleged scheme? And why did the soon-to-be ex-wife have husband Raymond Roth thrown in jail? I`ll talk to the lawyers on all sides tonight.

Plus, "JVM`s Most Wanted" tackles a brutal and unsolved murder. A woman known as the other Laci, gunned down in her car, and her killer still on the loose. I`ll talk to the desperate mother about the hunt to find her daughter`s murderers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The 7-year-old disappeared from his school science fair.

DESIREE YOUNG, KYRON`S MOTHER: Kyron is still alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terri Horman, his stepmother, the last person known to seen him, told police they attended the Skyline School science fair.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When he walked by the hallway, I`m like, "Hi, Kyron."

He`s like, "Hi, I`m going to see this cool electric one."

I`m like, "All right, bye." And that was the last time I saw him. He never did make it back to class.

YOUNG: Please do not be afraid, because the police are going to find you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terri Horman`s cell phone records indicate she was not where she said she was on the day the 7-year-old went missing.

YOUNG: We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate with the investigators to bring Kyron home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terri Horman has refused to answer investigators` questions, and she`s been evasive on a polygraph.

YOUNG: I`ve known her a long time. I know she`s lying.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight a new development in the ongoing search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman, who vanished from his elementary school more than two years ago, a case that garnered national attention.

For the first time in legal documents, somebody is now calling Kyron`s stepmother, Terri Horman, a prime suspect in little Kyron`s disappearance, and tonight in an exclusive interview, I will get reaction from none other than Kyron`s father, Kaine Horman.

This very sad saga, this mystery, began June 4, 2010, when little Kyron vanished from the school science fair. Kyron`s stepmom, Terri Horman, had brought Kyron to school that day, but the little boy never made it to class somehow. Kyron`s parents never knew anything was wrong until Kyron didn`t come home on the school bus that afternoon.

At first Kyron`s parents, who were divorced and both remarried, appeared to be united in their search for Kyron, standing side by side at the news conference. But that would be the only time they would appear together. And now it`s come to this.

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YOUNG: I believe that Terri Horman knows where Kyron is. I believe that Terri Horman is responsible for where my son is.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kyron`s biological parents both believe that Terri Horman had something to do with their son`s disappearance, although she has never been charged.

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KAINE HORMAN, KYRON`S FATHER: I believe that there`s some form of involvement. I don`t know to what level. It could be directly involved. And she`s responsible and she acted alone that day, or someone else is involved, either with her or even maybe potentially without her in light of something not breaking, coming forward quickly. This is going to be a marathon, not a sprint. This could go on for two, three, four years, potentially, without closure.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cops gave Terri Horman two polygraphs. They searched the house and her vehicle, and they told the public they doubted that this was a stranger abduction.

Then court documents revealed Terri was allegedly plotting to kill her husband Kaine Horman with a gardener she`d been sexting with while young Kyron was missing.

Throughout all the saga, one thing remained constant: Terri Horman never spoke out about Kyron`s disappearance. She never defended herself even. So where does the investigation stand now?

I`m joined by my very special guest, Kaine Horman, Kyron`s father.

Kaine, I know you`ve never stopped searching for your son. My heart goes out to you. What you have endured defies description. First of all, what do you make of this judge in the civil suit filed by your ex-wife, Desiree, against Terri, calling her a prime suspect? Do you think it changes the dynamic here?

HORMAN: I don`t think it changes it at all. I think it`s probably just a language thing. Probably more of an overreaction or, we`ll say, reading into records that are just indicating things that I think we all already know.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How have you held up over these last couple of years? This was a saga that captured the entire nation. Everybody identified with your pain and wanted to find out what happened to little Kyron. We covered it repeatedly. And then it seemed like the case just went cold. What have these two years been like for you, Kaine?

HORMAN: Well, I`d say just from, I guess, the inside, looking -- you know, looking out, is -- the case has been far from cold. It`s been extremely busy. The investigators have been extremely active in following up with leads and tips that continue to come in, even over two years later. They haven`t given up. There`s been just a tremendous number of projects that they`ve worked on.

I think the difficulty is without the information leading us directly to where Kyron is, it`s more of a process of elimination than just going straight down the one path that leads to where he`s at. So for us it`s been, you know, it`s been a long two years, but it`s been a very fast two years. We`ve stayed very busy with projects and other things, like attending events in the different communities around the state and up and down the West Coast trying to keep involvement with the case, keep his name active as possible, in standing up with all of our fellow -- everyone in the communities that are supporting him and together just trying to keep this thing going and not letting it go.

And I think it`s been not just in our state or the West Coast but across the U.S. there`s communities all over who just don`t want to let this go. They want to see resolution just as badly as we do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kaine, let me -- let me jump in, because I know you`re working very hard. But from the outside it seems like, well, there was a grand jury. There was all of this sort of anticipation that something was going to break, and then nothing did break that has been publicly revealed. Let`s recap and review what happened the day your son vanished. And then we`re going to talk about why you feel that progress has been made. Because from the outside we can`t see it, and we want to bridge that gap.

Kyron vanished from his school science fair on June 4, 2010. His stepmother, Terri Horman -- she`s got the red hair -- took him to school that day, and it wasn`t long before Kyron`s parents, biological parents, realized they didn`t know if Terri left him at the school or not. Listen to this.

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YOUNG: We know for sure that Terri dropped him off. That`s what we know for sure.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Those are Kyron`s biological parents.

So here`s how the day unfolded. Stepmom Terri Horman reportedly left the school at 8:45 a.m.

At 9 a.m., Kyron is seen by another student.

At 1:21 p.m., Terri posts photos of Kyron on Facebook.

And then at 3:30 p.m., Kaine and Terri Horman meet at the school bus, but Kyron is not on it.

Now, we called and e-mailed Terri Horman`s attorney, but we never heard back.

So to go through that day, Kaine, you`re the father of this missing boy. We know that there were searches of a nearby island; saw the island. We know that there was a grand jury where a whole bunch of people, including a friend of Terri Horman`s, appeared. They were -- they were questioned. How come you`re saying there`s progress when we can`t see it from the outside? Is there any lead?

HORMAN: Well, again, it`s tough to answer. It`s all about -- it`s all part of an ongoing criminal investigation, and the details really are things that we can`t talk about. The investigators, while they`re looking for Kyron, it`s either a direct path there or it`s a process of elimination to get there. And like I said, without the person knowing where he`s at coming forward with that information, it`s extremely difficult to locate where he is.

So they`ve been working leads and tips. They continue to do that, and they`re trying to rule out other people at the school that day, other scenarios that could have played out that afternoon and really get down to what`s...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you -- can I jump in? I just want to jump in. We`re looking at pictures of Terri with the red hair and your son. Do you believe that Terri Horman, your estranged wife -- and we`re going to talk about your divorce proceedings in a moment -- is responsible for your son`s disappearance? He disappeared on her watch, so to speak.

HORMAN: Yes, I do. I do believe that she`s involved with his disappearance. Even more so now than we did in the beginning.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what do you think happened? What do you think happened? I mean, she was back at the house with you in the afternoon when your son didn`t get off the school bus. There`s only a narrow window of time there. What do you believe happened?

HORMAN: It`s either one of two things. And until they give us information, it`s hard to say. But either she took him from the school that day and did something with him or she took him from school and handed him off to somebody else. And until we -- until the criminal investigation determines what happened, we`re not really at liberty to say which way we`re leaning toward in the investigation at this time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on the other side.

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YOUNG: The time has come for Terri to take responsibility for what she has done and to tell me and my family where Kyron is and how he got there.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news: Kyron Horman`s biological mother -- you just heard from her -- Desiree Young, has filed a civil lawsuit against Terri Horman. Terri Horman`s attorneys asked for the lawsuit to be delayed. The judge denied that request. Once again, the judge called Terri a prime suspect in the disappearance of Kyron in the court paperwork. Authorities have never said that, and she hasn`t been charged with any crime.

I want to go to Debra Opri, a criminal defense attorney out of Los Angeles. Essentially, this lawsuit filed by the biological mother of Kyron, says the judge should order the stepmother to either return Kyron or, if he is deceased, say where his remains are located. It seems unusual for a civil case to make that kind of demand. What can you tell us about that?

DEBRA OPRI, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, this is a civil litigation. It is detached and separate from different burdens and standards from the civil -- criminal investigation.

I don`t find it unreasonable or outrageous that the judge would say, "Here`s the foundation of what`s going into this case. I`m ordering you to return this child or tell us where you know he is."

The reason he`s doing that is he`s basically giving her an order. And if she does not satisfy that order and she ignores it, which she probably will, and later on the child is found, and there is a criminal investigation that shows she had something to do with it, she`s now in contempt of court on the civil action.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here are some very bizarre things. We learned in the days following little Kyron`s disappearance that stepmom Terri Horman was a former body-building contestant and that she was allegedly telling people at her gym that she was angry at her husband, Kaine, because he supposedly wanted Terri`s teenage son to move out of the house, and that Terri Horman was reportedly sexting with a gardener while Kyron was missing.

An unsealed restraining order revealed that Kaine was told by investigators that his wife, Terri, had actually plotted, allegedly, to kill him, and that she had allegedly offered the gardener she was sexting with a lot of money to kill Kaine.

So I want to go back to Kaine. This is the woman you were married to and that you had a child with, another child. Not -- not Kyron. Did you ever get a sense that there was other side to Terri Horman? Like you`re living with this stranger who has this dark side?

HORMAN: No. Not at all. No.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, how is that possible? I mean, that somebody could be so different, allegedly, trying to get you killed, murdered, allegedly telling everyone that she`s furious that you wanted the -- her teenage son to move out of the house? This is prior to your son`s disappearance. Do you think that could have had anything to do with it? In other words, sort of tit for tat: "Oh, you want my son to move out, therefore -- I`m going to get back at you"?

HORMAN: You know, I don`t know. That information is not correct. So I honestly don`t know how to respond to that. I think that that information was basically built up after the fact. There was never a request, nor did I ever ask for her son to leave the house. That was her choice and her decision based on their relationship.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I hope you understand I`m just exploring this, Kaine, not in any way to put you in an awkward position. These are aspects of the case that have been publicly reported that we`re trying to clear up so that we can understand.

You`re saying, if I understand you correctly, that you believe your son may still be alive and that you feel there are two possibilities, that -- if so, what would the motive be to allegedly hypothetically hand your son off to another individual?

HORMAN: The motive, I don`t know. I honestly can`t say. There`s not been enough information that would tell us what frame of mind she was in and why she conducted herself in the way that she did that day. That`s, I think, something that we`re all curious about at this point. I -- honestly, I don`t know. I really don`t know.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where does it stand with your attempts to divorce Terri Horman?

HORMAN: Well, we started the process in late June of 2010. The filings and the responses basically carried over into November of 2010, where we did have hearings about moving forward with the case.

It was determined that we should abate the case, basically putting it on hold for a three-month period until January of 2011, at which time we had another hearing to talk about the best interests of all parties involved. A lot of the circumstances were talked about in the filing by the judge in the latest civil case that was filed yesterday.

And the points were reiterated in there as to why we evaded originally in the divorce proceeding, and we`ve been on hold ever since. That will come up, I believe, this November.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on the other side.

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YOUNG: There is someone out there that has him, and there is someone out there that knows information, and they have not come forward. I want that person to come forward.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: These poor parents. Where is this precious young boy?

Let`s talk about the grand jury that was convened to look into Kyron`s disappearance. Now, the step-mom, Terri Horman, even her friends, at least one of them, were called before the grand jury. It`s not known what they said.

For example, one friend`s home was searched in the days following Kyron`s disappearance, because on that Friday afternoon that Kyron went missing, that friend reportedly left her job and couldn`t be reached for 90 minutes. That friend is not considered a suspect or a person of interest. But everybody even remotely connected to this case was put under the spotlight.

Bruce McCain, former captain of the county sheriff`s office there, can we get this down to plain English in turn terms of where this investigation stands and why is it that it is not a cold case? What are the possible leads here?

BRUCE MCCAIN, FORMER CAPTAIN OF MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE (via phone): Well, Jane, what we`ve heard so far today from Kaine and everybody else, it`s really nothing new.

As far as the criminal investigation, there never has been an identifiable crime scene. We`ve talked about this over and over and over, which makes this case so frustrating for all in all.

Now what`s happening, you just mentioned the grand jury of two years ago. What`s going to happen in the civil case, Jane, is that Elden Rosenthal, the civil plaintiff`s lawyer, is going to start deposing some of these familiar names like DeDe Spicher. And they`re going to be put under oath to talk about everything they know.

And we all know that Terri Horman is never going to be deposed in the civil case. She`s got the right against self-incrimination. However, Jane, her words that she`s spoken to other people are going to come out. And while Kaine and Desiree, and the sheriff`s office, the D.A. and the public all have the same goal in mind, to find out what happened to Kyron, at some point the civil litigation is going to cross swords with the sheriff`s investigators and the P.A. over access to those criminal files and subpoena deputies into the courtroom.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Debra Opri...

MCCAIN: So there`s going to be a point where there`s going to be a collision. And that`s where it`s going to get quite interesting here in Multnomah county.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Debra Opri, criminal defense attorney, usually we hear about, for example, a wrongful death trial after a criminal trial, like the O.J. Simpson case. This is happening before any criminal case, because there is no suspect.

OPRI: The state of Oregon is interesting. Unlike the federal courts in most of the states, when you assert your Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, you cannot infer anything from your assertion of that constitutional right.

I agree and disagree with Mr. McCain on two levels. First, we have a civil action which you`re going to take depositions, but if they didn`t tell the police then, are they going to tell anybody now?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I`ve got to give Kaine the last word. Our hearts go out to you. Ten seconds. What do you want to tell America?

HORMAN: That our son is still missing. We`re doing everything we can to find him. And the pressure continues to be on. And don`t give up. We`re going to -- we`re going to get this done. We`re going to find him.

And Kyron, we`re going to find you. We love you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I pray that you are right. Thank you, Kaine Horman. Our hearts go out to you.

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Puzzler shared from JVM
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, how is that possible? I mean, that somebody could be so different, allegedly, trying to get you killed, murdered, allegedly telling everyone that she`s furious that you wanted the -- her teenage son to move out of the house? This is prior to your son's disappearance. Do you think that could have had anything to do with it? In other words, sort of tit for tat: "Oh, you want my son to move out, therefore -- I`m going to get back at you"?

HORMAN: You know, I don`t know. That information is not correct. So I honestly don`t know how to respond to that. I think that that information was basically built up after the fact. There was never a request, nor did I ever ask for her son to leave the house. That was her choice and her decision based on their relationship.

imo, Terri premeditated Kyron's disappearance and probable murder, although TMH told her friends Kaine sent John away & of course she lied, John was in her way too, she needed no witnesses to the days leading up to Kyron's demise. Kaine had a decent relationship w/John it seems, I feel sorry for him as well. (all imo)

The facts are simple; no crime scene, no witnesses, no Kyron, + TMH's right to claim the 5th, sadly, imo, there may never be justice for Kyron. The Civil Suit may apply pressure to many, but it isn't likely to yield more information than LE has. LE is always going to claim, "ongoing investigation." LE doesn't have to share any of their information for the purposes of the civil suit, that's what makes it so difficult, there has been no Criminal Court proceediing and there may never be.

Terri Horman adds Portland attorney to legal team
Posted on September 10, 2012 at 3:57 PM Updated today at 3:58 PM

http://www.kgw.com/news/Terri-Horman-hires-new-Portland-attorney-169240216.html

Snippets:
"Kyron Horman's stepmother is adding a new face to her legal team; Attorney Mark Wagner will help defend Terri Horman in a civil lawsuit."

"Divorce attorney Peter Bunch and criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze will also continue to represent Terri Horman."

"Kyron's father Kaine Horman confirms he has been called to testify in an upcoming deposition. No trial date has been set in the civil suit."

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Where is she getting the money for a third attorney???

Happy belated birthday, Kyron! We haven't given up on you!

(yesterday was his 10th birthday)

CuriousPortlander wrote:Terri Horman adds Portland attorney to legal team
Posted on September 10, 2012 at 3:57 PM Updated today at 3:58 PM

http://www.kgw.com/news/Terri-Horman-hires-new-Portland-attorney-169240216.html

Snippets:
"Kyron Horman's stepmother is adding a new face to her legal team; Attorney Mark Wagner will help defend Terri Horman in a civil lawsuit."

"Divorce attorney Peter Bunch and criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze will also continue to represent Terri Horman."

"Kyron's father Kaine Horman confirms he has been called to testify in an upcoming deposition. No trial date has been set in the civil suit."

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Where is she getting the money for a third attorney???

CuriousPortlander, good question. Although Desiree is trying to raise $ 100,000.00 through donations for Rosenthal's fee, TMH is going to have BIG legal fees from her Civil Attorney. Though the bulk of the cost is going to be on Desiree, the cost of Kaine's deposition and all depos, the transcription, the Court recorder, Rosenthal's time, etc., TMH is going to have to pay her attorney to attend all the proceedings.

The only way I can see that TMH is going to be able to pay another attorney is she is anticipating that Kaine is going to have to settle the maritial property at some point, it should be soon I assume, I don't know that Kaine can legally put it off forever. As in the murder of Kathleen Savio by Drew Peterson, they were divorced but the property settlement had not been resolved, a motive that imo got her murdered, property settlements are done seperately many times.

GOFUNDME ACCOUNT: Raised: $9,480.00 Goal: $100,000.00

http://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman#description

Article below may be nothing about Kyron, but his name is mentioned: remains found approximately 2 hours south of Portland:

http://www.bendbulletin.com/article/20120905/NEWS0107/209050349/

Remains await identification
September 5, 2012

(snip)
According to Marion County Sheriff’s Office public information officer Don Thomson, the remains were found about a mile from the water in a remote hunting area.

Thomson said there are no missing people in his county, and pointed to high-profile missing persons cases like Kyron Horman, the 9-year-old Portland boy who disappeared in June 2010, and Lori “Woody" Blaylock, the Bend woman whose husband murdered her in November 2010 and dumped her body in the North Santiam River near Marion Forks.

According to a press release, hunters found the skeletal remains off state Highway 22, near Niagara Park. That’s more than 25 miles from Marion Forks.

The bones have been sent to the medical examiner’s office. Thomson cautioned the remains might never be identified.

“It all depends on what we’re able to determine, on how many bones we collect," he said. (snip)

https://twitter.com/kyleiboshi

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Kyron's father Kaine Horman confirms he's been called to testify at upcoming deposition in civil suit.

Happy Birthday, sweet Kyron!

Video at link

http://www.kptv.com/story/19501445/kyron-hormans-10th-birthday-passes-as-dad

Kyron Horman's 10th birthday passes as dad presses on
Posted: Sep 10, 2012 9:35 AM CDT Updated: Sep 10, 2012 9:50 AM CDT

PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) -
Sunday marked the 10th birthday of missing child Kyron Horman, who vanished from Skyline School in northwest Portland in June 2010 and hasn't been seen since.

Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, spent Sunday manning a booth at the Sublimity Harvest Festival, selling shirts and buttons to keep the search for Kyron going and to raise awareness about the missing boy.

Kaine Horman said he would celebrate his son's birthday with a cake and some presents with Kyron's half-sister. They live their lives as if Kyron could walk through the door at any moment.

"We miss him tremendously, just like we do every day. I wish he could be here and I wish he could have been here for the past birthdays that he has missed so far. It's time that we're not going to get back that he shouldn't have to miss," Kaine Horman said.

art tart wrote:

CuriousPortlander wrote:
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Where is she getting the money for a third attorney???

CuriousPortlander, good question. Although Desiree is trying to raise $ 100,000.00 through donations for Rosenthal's fee, TMH is going to have BIG legal fees from her Civil Attorney. Though the bulk of the cost is going to be on Desiree, the cost of Kaine's deposition and all depos, the transcription, the Court recorder, Rosenthal's time, etc., TMH is going to have to pay her attorney to attend all the proceedings.

The only way I can see that TMH is going to be able to pay another attorney is she is anticipating that Kaine is going to have to settle the maritial property at some point, it should be soon I assume, I don't know that Kaine can legally put it off forever.
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Art Tart, you may be right. Kaine probably makes a good income as a software engineer at Intel; they offer employees very good benefits, so he probably also has a decent retirement account, etc. Plus the house, two vehicles, and who knows what other assets.

Oregon is an "equitable distribution" state, and according to http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/statedivorcelaws/a/Oregon_Laws.htm, "fault is not a consideration when dividing the marital estate. Retirement plans shall be considered part of the marital estate, and the court shall consider the contribution of a spouse as a homemaker as a contribution to the acquisition of marital assets."

So, in theory, she's probably entitled to half the assets. I guess the question is when will these assets be split? KH and TMH have been repeatedly stipulating to the postponement of the divorce; I wonder how much longer they will continue to do this.

Mr. Mark Wagner was out of the country and unavailable for comment, but he has come out of retirement to represent TMH.

http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Hoffman-Hart-&-Wagner

Our recently retired partner, Mark Wagner, was highly respected throughout his storied trial career. The only objections Mark makes now are over his boat or dog's behavior in the San Juan Islands.

BLINK has started a 3 part series on Kyron's case.

Disappearance Series Part I: Desiree Young V Terri Horman- Civil As An Oxymoron

http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/11/kyron-horman-disappearance-series-part-i-desiree-young-v-terri-horman-civil-as-an-oxymoron/

CuriousPortlander, I don't know how much longer part of the divorce can be put off. I seem to remember that Bunch requested the permanent custody "be put off" because of the criminal investigation. Kaine was successful in getting the "restraining order" for another year.

In light of the Civil Case moving forward and TMH being called out as a "suspect" by the Judge, it may be that at the next hearing, thedivorce Judge moves the custody forward also. Kaine has a good divorce attorney and they have tried to get TMH to talk in exchange for the property settlement, etc., but I don't think that is ever going to happen. TMH can't be made to talk and she doesn't plan to it appears, her 5th amendment privledges, etc.

It seems the final divorce can be resolved as well as the property settlement. Poor Kaine has to know that any monies gotten in the property settlement by TMH are most likely going to pay her legal fees to continue to represent her in her avoidance of sharing any information about Kyron.

TMH can't be made to talk, but I bet her living situation is miserable as well as her parent's, attorney's don't like to work for free, imo, there isn't anything sympathetic about TMH.

Puzzler, thanks for the links.

Puzzler wrote:Mr. Mark Wagner was out of the country and unavailable for comment, but he has come out of retirement to represent TMH.

http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Hoffman-Hart-&-Wagner

Our recently retired partner, Mark Wagner, was highly respected throughout his storied trial career. The only objections Mark makes now are over his boat or dog's behavior in the San Juan Islands.

Thanks for the link, Puzzler. I wonder why an attorney would come out of retirement for this when they say that they have 50 attorneys there. Doesn't make sense to me.

I keep reminding myself that Desiree's case is based on new law that's never been tried in court before; therefore, it is a "landmark case".

Most any attorney of any stature would want an opportunity to be involved in a landmark case.

That's why I think someone would come out of "recent" retirement and get involved.

How long was he married to her?
Surely, the courts will give only a percentage and only for a specific length of time. I hope he does not get hit with lawyer's fees.

Does his daughter by her have any visitation?
I hope not!

"Freckles" How long was he married to her?
Surely, the courts will give only a percentage and only for a specific length of time. I hope he does not get hit with lawyer's fees.

Does his daughter by her have any visitation?

Freckles, TMH has been w/Kaine since Kyron was a baby. TMH has no visitation and Kaine has a restraining order against TMH for trying to hire a landscaper to murder him, TMH ask for supervised visitation at Kaine's expense but when she realised she had to answer questions before any visitation consideration, she withdrew her request. LE says the case is ongoing for the murder for hire. imo, TMH is not likely to ever have any visitation with Kiara.

TMH was a stay at home mom earning no money.

The murder for hire (MFH) is totally separate case from the case for Kyron.

Now..."why" hasn't MCSD been able to tie down that MFH? I can't help but believe at this point that it's deduced to he said/she said and nothing is going to happen.

Puzzler wrote:The murder for hire (MFH) is totally separate case from the case for Kyron.

Now..."why" hasn't MCSD been able to tie down that MFH? I can't help but believe at this point that it's deduced to he said/she said and nothing is going to happen.

Puzzler, you are correct, the MFH case has everything to do with Kaine's restraining order and the custody case in Kaine's divorce but is not related to Kyron's disappearance. imo, it was a big mistake for LE to wire up the landscaper and have him approach TMH to discuss the MFH, she knew immediately and didn't share anything but LE showed their hand. LE wouldn't have taken the risk of sending in the landscaper IF they had a credible case OR even if the landscaper had been believable enough to hold up in Court.

LE said awhile back they are still investigating the MFH case, imo, the landscaper may have a criminal past or maybe a conviction of some sort and may not make a solid witness against TMH, if that is the case, Houze would shread his credibility and LE knows it. imo, that case is going nowhere, if it had a solid foundation TMH could have been arrested in that case, she hasn't so I assume it's going nowhere.

From Puzzler' posting above:

" VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here are some very bizarre things. We learned in the days following little Kyron`s disappearance that stepmom Terri Horman was a former body-building contestant and that she was allegedly telling people at her gym that she was angry at her husband, Kaine, because he supposedly wanted Terri`s teenage son to move out of the house, and that Terri Horman was reportedly sexting with a gardener while Kyron was missing.

An unsealed restraining order revealed that Kaine was told by investigators that his wife, Terri, had actually plotted, allegedly, to kill him, and that she had allegedly offered the gardener she was sexting with a lot of money to kill Kaine.

So I want to go back to Kaine. This is the woman you were married to and that you had a child with, another child. Not -- not Kyron. Did you ever get a sense that there was other side to Terri Horman? Like you`re living with this stranger who has this dark side?

HORMAN: No. Not at all. No.

Let me get this straight. According to Kaine, this was the ideal family? There was no strife in the family? No short temper or impatience, no laziness, jealousy, problems with money or drinking, etc? I am not believing this. IF this was true, I would think TH would have been forthcoming with the lie detector testing, supportive of the searches for Kyron, not have tried to hire a hit-man to kill off hubby, not badmouthing Kaine, etc.. Either Kaine is unaware, has his head in the clouds, or else he is trying to cover up something.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, how is that possible? I mean, that somebody could be so different, allegedly, trying to get you killed, murdered, allegedly telling everyone that she`s furious that you wanted the -- her teenage son to move out of the house? This is prior to your son`s disappearance. Do you think that could have had anything to do with it? In other words, sort of tit for tat: "Oh, you want my son to move out, therefore -- I`m going to get back at you"?

HORMAN: You know, I don`t know. That information is not correct. So I honestly don`t know how to respond to that. I think that that information was basically built up after the fact. There was never a request, nor did I ever ask for her son to leave the house. That was her choice and her decision based on their relationship.

What part of her comments are incorrect? Just the comment Kaine had asked the son of TH to move out and on? This was a compound statement and Kaine only responded to a part of it. Need him to answer more fully. I am sure there had to be some discussion re TH son --- I am sure they discussed how the son was fitting in to the family OR not fitting in. Just in the daily conversations parents have.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I hope you understand I`m just exploring this, Kaine, not in any way to put you in an awkward position. These are aspects of the case that have been publicly reported that we`re trying to clear up so that we can understand.

You`re saying, if I understand you correctly, that you believe your son may still be alive and that you feel there are two possibilities, that -- if so, what would the motive be to allegedly hypothetically hand your son off to another individual?

HORMAN: The motive, I don`t know. I honestly can`t say. There`s not been enough information that would tell us what frame of mind she was in and why she conducted herself in the way that she did that day. That`s, I think, something that we`re all curious about at this point. I -- honestly, I don`t know. I really don`t know. "

While motive is interesting Kaine was not asked about motive yet he is responding to an unasked question. Interesting.

BTW, Kyron disappeared in June, 2010.
A little over 2 years ago.
When was the divorce FIRST filed?

One does not start divorce proceedings when everything is so "perfect" between the two. Especially if a new baby is anticipated.

Freckles wrote:BTW, Kyron disappeared in June, 2010.
A little over 2 years ago.
When was the divorce FIRST filed?

One does not start divorce proceedings when everything is so "perfect" between the two. Especially if a new baby is anticipated.

Freckles, after Kyron's disappearance in the first few days/weeks, Terri failed 2 poly's, odd behavior, wouldn't cooperate with LE, sexting one of Kaine's high school friends that got involved in the search, (other's are frantically looking for Kyron but TMH, imo, already knew where Kyron was and preferred to text crotch shots to Kaine's friend,) and Kaine's notification from LE that TMH had approached a landscaper that had worked on their property to murder Kaine for $$$ months before Kyron's disappearance.

imo, TMH had had enough of Kyron but apparently pretended to be the doting step mother even driving to meet Desiree half way when Kyron had weekend visits. TMH too acted the concerned step mother at Kyron's school volunteering/involvement. Since Kyron's disappearance, Desiree has discussed vile emails LE has shared in which TMH sent to friends voicing her hatred/disgust for Kyron blaming him for her maritial problems. Rosenthal, Desiree's attorney is going to be able to get these by subpeona in the Civil Case.