Kyron Horman's Mom Plans To File CIVIL SUIT AGAINST TERRI HORMAN!

Both KGW and oregonlive.com are now reporting the civil suit was delayed until Aug 1, 2013, not Nov. 2014, as reported by kptv.com

Kyron Horman civil suit delayed due to criminal investigation
Posted on November 27, 2012 at 1:47 PM Updated today at 2:51 PM

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But this time, at the request of police and prosecutors, the judge agreed to put the case on hold until August 1, 2013.
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http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Horman-civil-suit-delayed-for-criminal-case-181040821.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/multnomah_county_judge_briefly.html#incart_river_default

CuriousPortlander - thanks for the update, I feel a little better, but not much. I am a bit confused by LE sayng they are looking at clues from the beginning of the case. I am encouraged though the DA is involved.

Since so few clues and information have been released, it's hard to tell what they may be focusing on. timeline or alibi's or child trafficking or etc...............

angiefly2 wrote:

art tart wrote:thanks CuriousPortlander for the scoop on the divorce. I would think that TMH agreeing to give Kaine custodial custody of Kitty is going to be a bone of contention, but he has been the primary parent for 2 years anyway and it doesn't appear TMH's position is improving.

That's good news the Criminal Case is creeping along, it may be that the DA decides to roll the dice and bring charges against TMH as he said early on 'that they could file without a body,' it's not likely, imo, to get any better anytime soon. It seems most of the evidence has been garnered, someone has to talk and that's not likely. EVEN if it meant for DeDe to get immunity for her participation if she had some, it might be worth it imo in bringing charges against TMH and possibly bringing Kyron home.

Do you are Puzzlerpossibly have a link for the blog you were talking about............thanks

still hoping, still praying for little Kyron, loved by many.

Hey Art,
This is a link to Tom's blog from last year, just in case you haven't seen it already,
http://thetruthwillsaveyoursoul-truthteller.blogspot.com/2011/01/truth-about-being-accused-of-spreading.html

Are you sure this is Tom Jones' blog? I really thought it was the blog of a woman. A woman that Tom Jones was friends with...and not his blog? Thanks.

Legal maneuvering in Kyron Horman case a hint of progress?
Published: Nov 28, 2012 at 5:27 PM PST Last Updated: Nov 28, 2012 at 7:09 PM PST

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Here's the chain of events that triggered this latest legal move:

In June, Desiree Young filed the $10 million civil suit against Terri Horman, hoping to force Horman and her friend Dede Spicher to testify under oath about what happened to Kyron two and a half years ago.

But Spicher invoked her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination more than 140 times during a recent deposition. A judge was getting close to ruling whether Spicher can remain silent and that's when the Multnomah County district attorney and sheriff's office asked the judge to halt the civil case before she could be forced to take the stand, triggering immunity in a criminal case.

Officially, investigators aren't saying what new leads they have, but in court records Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill wrote that "premature disclosure of the information ... could jeopardize that on-going investigation."

According to sources, investigators have made progress recently on two fronts: Expanding on leads from soon after Kyron disappeared as well as new information.
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Read more at source: http://www.katu.com/news/local/Legal-maneuvering-in-Kyron-Horman-case-a-hint-of-progress-181287271.html

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What I find interesting about this article is the comment about triggering immunity in a criminal case. Does this mean that LE and the DA don't want DDS to have immunity? Hmmm...that's food for thought, isn't it?

Judge explains delay in Terri Horman civil suit
Published: Nov. 28, 2012 3:57 pm

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Kantor wrote that he came to the decision after conferring with attorneys for both sides, an unnamed witness and prosecutors.
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Now I'm wondering who that unnamed witness was.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Judge-explains-delay-in-Terri-Horman-civil-suit/XpwsVjc4C02XktjAHnhhYA.cspx

CuriousPortlander wrote:Legal maneuvering in Kyron Horman case a hint of progress?
Published: Nov 28, 2012 at 5:27 PM PST Last Updated: Nov 28, 2012 at 7:09 PM PST

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Here's the chain of events that triggered this latest legal move:

In June, Desiree Young filed the $10 million civil suit against Terri Horman, hoping to force Horman and her friend Dede Spicher to testify under oath about what happened to Kyron two and a half years ago.

But Spicher invoked her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination more than 140 times during a recent deposition. A judge was getting close to ruling whether Spicher can remain silent and that's when the Multnomah County district attorney and sheriff's office asked the judge to halt the civil case before she could be forced to take the stand, triggering immunity in a criminal case.

Officially, investigators aren't saying what new leads they have, but in court records Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill wrote that "premature disclosure of the information ... could jeopardize that on-going investigation."

According to sources, investigators have made progress recently on two fronts: Expanding on leads from soon after Kyron disappeared as well as new information.
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Read more at source: http://www.katu.com/news/local/Legal-maneuvering-in-Kyron-Horman-case-a-hint-of-progress-181287271.html

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What I find interesting about this article is the comment about triggering immunity in a criminal case. Does this mean that LE and the DA don't want DDS to have immunity? Hmmm...that's food for thought, isn't it?

That's the way the words are hitting me: don't want DeDe to get immunity for the criminal trial...

or....if she's forced to testify and it does trigger immunity, could the sheriff's department not want what she might say about "someone else" or "others" to be made "public" and, therefore, hurt any case they may be bringing against someone "else" and they don't want that someone "else" to know it?

imo, to bring resolution and the recovery of Kyron, immunity is going to have to be extended to someone, there is no other incentive for DeDe to share viable information as to where Kyron's remains are EXCEPT it is the right thing to do. As far as we have seen, DeDe is not willing to share information. The Civil Suit did squeeze DeDe some, but since she invoked her rights on so many questions, its hard to isolate the most important ones. imo, DY would not have moved forward to bring a Civil Suit if she thought LE was making any progress, she did so out of frustration that the case hasn't made progress, the Civil Suit is costly to DY/TY as Rosenthal is not pro bono.

The DA can issue 'use immunity' as we saw in KC's case during a deposition, immunity for the day and the SAME testimony has to be given in trial, too, DeDe's attorney can flip her on TMH and she can walk totally for her testimony against TMH. imo, I don't see any other outcome, LE didn't have enough to bring charges BEFORE the deposition, they may now have more leads but is it BECAUSE DeDe shared those leads imo and not because of their dogged police work. imo, a plausible scenario.

Kaine and Desiree always said ''TMH had help.'' It is possible more participated than DeDe imo, as they say, ''the first one that talks gets the deal.'' It may be DeDe in this case. I didn't realize initially that DeDe's brother too had a white pick up, 2 chubby white chicks w/red hair gives me the creeps, just something to think about, all jmo.

art tart wrote:imo, to bring resolution and the recovery of Kyron, immunity is going to have to be extended to someone, there is no other incentive for DeDe to share viable information as to where Kyron's remains are EXCEPT it is the right thing to do. As far as we have seen, DeDe is not willing to share information. The Civil Suit did squeeze DeDe some, but since she invoked her rights on so many questions, its hard to isolate the most important ones. imo, DY would not have moved forward to bring a Civil Suit if she thought LE was making any progress, she did so out of frustration that the case hasn't made progress, the Civil Suit is costly to DY/TY as Rosenthal is not pro bono.

The DA can issue 'use immunity' as we saw in KC's case during a deposition, immunity for the day and the SAME testimony has to be given in trial, too, DeDe's attorney can flip her on TMH and she can walk totally for her testimony against TMH. imo, I don't see any other outcome, LE didn't have enough to bring charges BEFORE the deposition, they may now have more leads but is it BECAUSE DeDe shared those leads imo and not because of their dogged police work. imo, a plausible scenario.

Kaine and Desiree always said ''TMH had help.'' It is possible more participated than DeDe imo, as they say, ''the first one that talks gets the deal.'' It may be DeDe in this case. I didn't realize initially that DeDe's brother too had a white pick up, 2 chubby white chicks w/red hair gives me the creeps, just something to think about, all jmo.

Art Tart, I hear what you're saying, and I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I have to go back and think about the fact that DeDe was called to appear before the Grand Jury but never actually testified (as far as we know, she was only asked if she could come back, but never did). If they were going to offer her immunity, wouldn't they have done that two years ago, while things were fresh in her mind, and when they had a chance of finding K, and have her testify in front of the GJ back then? If she hasn't been offered immunity in two years, maybe they don't want to give her immunity because maybe they see her as just as culpable as TH? That's the only reason I can think of as to why she was never brought back to testify. It would also explain why they stopped the civil trial just before the judge had to decide whether to force her to answer the questions, to prevent it from being disclosed that they think she's as culpable as TH. JMO.

Puzzler wrote:

CuriousPortlander wrote:Legal maneuvering in Kyron Horman case a hint of progress?
Published: Nov 28, 2012 at 5:27 PM PST Last Updated: Nov 28, 2012 at 7:09 PM PST

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Here's the chain of events that triggered this latest legal move:

In June, Desiree Young filed the $10 million civil suit against Terri Horman, hoping to force Horman and her friend Dede Spicher to testify under oath about what happened to Kyron two and a half years ago.

But Spicher invoked her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination more than 140 times during a recent deposition. A judge was getting close to ruling whether Spicher can remain silent and that's when the Multnomah County district attorney and sheriff's office asked the judge to halt the civil case before she could be forced to take the stand, triggering immunity in a criminal case.

Officially, investigators aren't saying what new leads they have, but in court records Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill wrote that "premature disclosure of the information ... could jeopardize that on-going investigation."

According to sources, investigators have made progress recently on two fronts: Expanding on leads from soon after Kyron disappeared as well as new information.
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Read more at source: http://www.katu.com/news/local/Legal-maneuvering-in-Kyron-Horman-case-a-hint-of-progress-181287271.html

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What I find interesting about this article is the comment about triggering immunity in a criminal case. Does this mean that LE and the DA don't want DDS to have immunity? Hmmm...that's food for thought, isn't it?

That's the way the words are hitting me: don't want DeDe to get immunity for the criminal trial...

or....if she's forced to testify and it does trigger immunity, could the sheriff's department not want what she might say about "someone else" or "others" to be made "public" and, therefore, hurt any case they may be bringing against someone "else" and they don't want that someone "else" to know it?

Puzzler, The more I think about your "or" scenario, the more plausible it seems. Especially since TH's attorney would be allowed to witness the testimony. I wish I knew which of these scenarios was the one that triggered the abatement, because I'll bet it's one of the two.

Kyron Horman's father files to delay divorce case with Terri Horman


http://www.kptv.com/story/20757033/kyron-hormans-father-files-to-delay-divorce-case-with-terri-horman

Puzzler - The divorce is made up of 3 parts, the divorce, the custody of Kiara, and the property settlement. I assume Kaine wants to delay any property settlement indefinitely. Keeping the property settlement from going forward imo puts the squeeze on TMH on paying her on going legal fees and keeping the custody case unresolved keeps Kiara from even having any visitation w/TMH hopefully forever.

This case continues to drag on, I felt vaguely hopeful when DD's deposition w/Rosenthal was a bust & she refused to answer even some questions she had answered in previous media interviews, that LE really had something. The correlation of DD's deposition, the delay agreed upon by Desiree/Rosenthal in the Civil Suit, LE claiming there is more to investigate, leaves me with more questions than answers which is normal for this case.

WHERE is Kyron? Never giving up hope and never going to stop praying.

art tart wrote: Puzzler - The divorce is made up of 3 parts, the divorce, the custody of Kiara, and the property settlement. I assume Kaine wants to delay any property settlement indefinitely. Keeping the property settlement from going forward imo puts the squeeze on TMH on paying her on going legal fees and keeping the custody case unresolved keeps Kiara from even having any visitation w/TMH hopefully forever.

This case continues to drag on, I felt vaguely hopeful when DD's deposition w/Rosenthal was a bust & she refused to answer even some questions she had answered in previous media interviews, that LE really had something. The correlation of DD's deposition, the delay agreed upon by Desiree/Rosenthal in the Civil Suit, LE claiming there is more to investigate, leaves me with more questions than answers which is normal for this case.

WHERE is Kyron? Never giving up hope and never going to stop praying.

Something about it case being delayed ONLY until next week? I guess we really would be surprised to find out what's going on!

Seems Terri's attorneys wants to move this divorce along and not postpone it as Kaine wants to do.

Here's a link to three (3) different documents filed by Terri's attorney, Peter Bunch (very interesting):

January 28, 2013
January 30, 2013
January 31, 2013

http://www.anorak.co.uk/346864/news/kyron-horman-police-justice-and-media-collude-to-create-a-secret-criminal-case-from-thin-air.html/2/

More interesting reading.

http://vwoolfexploresthenorthwest.blogspot.com/2012_11_01_archive.html

Kyron Horman Missing Almost Three Years, Parent's Divorce Delayed Again

April 11, 2013 09:00 PM EDT
by Kimberly Ripley

Kyron Horman went missing from his Portland, Oregon school almost three years ago, and this week a judge once again postponed his dad's divorce from his stepmom, who is a person of interest in the child's disappearance.

According to a report from KGW, Kaine Horman filed for divorce from Terri Horman shortly after Kyron—then 7 years old—went missing in June of 2010. A judge has delayed the case until August.

Terri Horman has been suspected of knowing something about or having a hand in Kyron's disappearance, but has never been officially named a suspect. Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Young, filed a lawsuit against Terri Horman, claiming she knows what happened to her son.

Read more:

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981868787

Rescue of Cleveland women adds hope in search for Kyron Horman

http://www.kptv.com/story/22188906/rescue-of-cleveland-women-adds-hope-in-search-for-kyron-horman

Ohio Women Being Found Gives Hope To Kyron's Mother

http://www.ktvl.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/ktvl_ohio-women-being-found-gives-hope-kyrons-mother-6880.shtml?wap=0

Kyron Horman's dad still hopeful after three years



by KGW Staff
Posted on June 3, 2013 at 4:35 PM

PORTLAND – Tuesday marks three years since 7-year-old Portland boy Kyron Horman vanished from his Portland, starting off the largest search effort in Oregon history.

His father, Kaine Horman, said it’s hard to believe three years have passed, and that he’s still hopeful he’ll see Kyron again.

“There’s so many things I’d want to say. The last thing that I told him is that I loved him and I’d tell him the same thing,” Kaine said Monday. “I love you, man. Life’s not the same. And we miss you. And we’ve got so much to do together still.”

Read more:

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-dad-still-hopeful-after-three-years-210008521.html

Kyron Horman's father wins renewed court order

POSTED: 8:48 PM PDT June 21, 2013



Kyron Horman

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — An Oregon judge has granted the father of a missing Portland boy a renewed restraining order against the man's estranged wife.

However, the woman's lawyer said Friday in court that she intends to contest it.

The order prohibits Terri Horman from having any contact with her husband, Kaine Horman, or their now 4 ½-year-old daughter.

Read more:

http://www.ktvz.com/news/Kyron-Horman-s-father-wins-renewed-court-order/-/413192/20672290/-/11irbr3/-/index.html

Kyron Horman disappearance: Stepmom Terri Horman will fight estranged husband's restraining order



By Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian
on June 21, 2013 at 3:34 PM, updated June 21, 2013 at 7:23 PM

A Multnomah County Circuit Court judge Friday granted Kaine Horman a one-year renewal of a restraining order against estranged wife Terri Moulton Horman.

But his wife's attorney said in court that she intends for the first time in three years to contest the order.

"The allegations in the petition are solely hearsay," lawyer Peter Bunch told the court.

Bunch said he will file a motion within 30 days to contest the order and request a hearing within 21 days of the motion under state law. He wants to question Kaine Horman as part of the process.

Read more:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/06/kyron_horman_disappearance_ste.html#/0

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/07/kyron_hormans_mother_to_drop_c.html


DY officially dropped her civil suit against Terri Horman.

R/O is to be dropped and a No-contact Order replaces it for the divorce….between Kaine and TMH

Houze/Bunch will now file motions for visitation.

Video of Desiree's press conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WHrGWDhqCaE#at=305

Oh, gosh; I've been posting updates on a different thread:

http://www.realitychatter.com/t2801-kyron-horman-missing-6-4-10-3

Judge signs civil no-contact order that requires Terri Horman to stay away from husband and daughter
on August 01, 2013 at 7:12 PM, updated August 03, 2013 at 8:22 AM

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A Multnomah County judge on Thursday signed a civil order that requires Terri Moulton Horman to have no contact with her estranged husband and their 4-year-old daughter as divorce proceedings resume.

Judge Henry Kantor signed the civil no-contact order Thursday as Kaine Horman dismissed the Family Abuse Prevention Act restraining order he had just renewed for one year against his estranged wife.

The new order says Kaine Horman is awarded exclusive use of the home on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road in Portland, and Terri Horman can't come within 150 feet of the house, Kaine Horman's job at Intel Corp. in Hillsboro, or his gym in Beaverton.
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Read more:  http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/08/judge_signs_civil_no-contact_o.html

Gloves come off in divorce between Kaine, Terri Horman

by Sara Roth

NWCN.com
Posted on August 27, 2013 at 6:41 PM

PORTLAND -- The gloves are coming off in the divorce between Kyron Horman's father and stepmother. Recent court filings involved harsh words and new allegations.

The latest struggle surrounds custody and visitation of the estranged couple's daughter, Kiara.

In divorce proceedings, Kaine Horman argued that Terri Horman shouldn't be able to see the four-year old.

"Terri Horman has been in seclusion for three years and has elected not to seek parenting time with Kiara. She refuses to cooperate with law enforcement," wrote Kaine Horman's divorce lawyer Brett Engel.

Read more:

http://www.nwcn.com/news/221415321.html

Terri Horman agrees to counseling so she can see daughter
By KATU News Published: Aug 28, 2013 at 12:15 AM PDT

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PORTLAND, Ore. – Kyron Horman's stepmother, Terri Horman, has agreed to see a psychologist so she can see her daughter again, according to court documents.

Kaine Horman has also agreed to allow Terri to see her daughter, Kiara, if she sees a counselor. But Kaine's attorneys hope that mental evaluation could also get Terri to testify.
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Read more:  http://www.katu.com/news/local/Terri-Horman-agrees-to-counseling-so-she-can-see-daughter-221436661.html

CuriousPortlander wrote:Terri Horman agrees to counseling so she can see daughter
By KATU News Published: Aug 28, 2013 at 12:15 AM PDT

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PORTLAND, Ore. – Kyron Horman's stepmother, Terri Horman, has agreed to see a psychologist so she can see her daughter again, according to court documents.

Kaine Horman has also agreed to allow Terri to see her daughter, Kiara, if she sees a counselor. But Kaine's attorneys hope that mental evaluation could also get Terri to testify.
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Read more:  http://www.katu.com/news/local/Terri-Horman-agrees-to-counseling-so-she-can-see-daughter-221436661.html

You know, this sets off alarm bells for me.

I'm thinking about Susan Powell's little boys.

Even if they agree on supervised visits, I hope they are extremely careful.  I believe they have proof that she did plot to have Kane injured--who knows what she would be capable of now.

I hope this doesn't backfire.

Nan11 wrote:

CuriousPortlander wrote:Terri Horman agrees to counseling so she can see daughter
By KATU News Published: Aug 28, 2013 at 12:15 AM PDT

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PORTLAND, Ore. – Kyron Horman's stepmother, Terri Horman, has agreed to see a psychologist so she can see her daughter again, according to court documents.

Kaine Horman has also agreed to allow Terri to see her daughter, Kiara, if she sees a counselor. But Kaine's attorneys hope that mental evaluation could also get Terri to testify.
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Read more:  http://www.katu.com/news/local/Terri-Horman-agrees-to-counseling-so-she-can-see-daughter-221436661.html

You know, this sets off alarm bells for me.

I'm thinking about Susan Powell's little boys.

Even if they agree on supervised visits, I hope they are extremely careful.  I believe they have proof that she did plot to have Kane injured--who knows what she would be capable of now.

I hope this doesn't backfire.

It concerns me, too, Nan.

But what I don't get is, why now? She hasn't seen Kiara in 3 years, and Kiara probably doesn't even remember her. Why didn't she fight for this before? What's different now? And I can't believe Kaine would allow her to see Kiara. What about Terri seeing a psychologist makes him think it's OK? I sure hope that if visits between them are allowed, that they are at least supervised visits. The only thing I can think of is that Kaine's hands are being tied and that he has to allow it since she's still not even declared as a suspect or person of interest in Kyron's disappearance.

I wonder how long Terri is going to see a therapist for before she bails on that when things get too heated or tense (just like when she walked out on the third lie-detector test after failing the first two). Maybe we can hope she will either bail on the sessions or have something come out that will prevent them from allowing her to see her daughter.

CuriousPortlander wrote:It concerns me, too, Nan.  

But what I don't get is, why now?  She hasn't seen Kiara in 3 years, and Kiara probably doesn't even remember her.  Why didn't she fight for this before?  What's different now?  And I can't believe Kaine would allow her to see Kiara.  What about Terri seeing a psychologist makes him think it's OK?  I sure hope that if visits between them are allowed, that they are at least supervised visits.  The only thing I can think of is that Kaine's hands are being tied and that he has to allow it since she's still not even declared as a suspect or person of interest in Kyron's disappearance.

I wonder how long Terri is going to see a therapist for before she bails on that when things get too heated or tense (just like when she walked out on the third lie-detector test after failing the first two).  Maybe we can hope she will either bail on the sessions or have something come out that will prevent them from allowing her to see her daughter.

BBM - Agreed, CP.  I think that is the best we can hope for.

The only reason I can think of for Kaine allowing this is that he feels they tried every other way possible to get her to talk, and nothing worked.  Maybe if they give her something she appreciates--such as visitation rights with her daughter--she will become suddenly cooperative.  (I don't think so, but I could be wrong.)

Also, as I believe some distance has grown between Kaine and Desiree, perhaps a door has been opened for Kaine to give this a try.  Possibly he has been pushing for this for awhile.

I remain taken aback by it.