Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #9

by Calypso Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:42 pm

Mylife101 wrote:
Bmore wrote:there's no crater in her head that you can show us that proves she's telling the truth about this amnesia?

I find it interesting that Dicky responded to a juror question that hypnosis wouldn't have worked because no memories were recorded from the gunshot to the coming out of the fog in the desert because disassociative amnesia does not allow for this; yet she claims to remember dropping the gun, screaming, knowing "something bad" just happened, being afraid to dial 911. These are things she actually cops to remembering following the slaughter. So which is it Dr. Dick...there are no memories recorded or she remembers the whole darn thing? Do you think he actually "gets" how foolish he is sounding?

Samuels is balancing his conclusions with JA on his career. His career is already suspicious after the NJ debacle and now this? He has to maintain all this b/s to appear credible to the jurors.

by carlakay Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:47 pm

Calypso wrote:
Mylife101 wrote:

I find it interesting that Dicky responded to a juror question that hypnosis wouldn't have worked because no memories were recorded from the gunshot to the coming out of the fog in the desert because disassociative amnesia does not allow for this; yet she claims to remember dropping the gun, screaming, knowing "something bad" just happened, being afraid to dial 911. These are things she actually cops to remembering following the slaughter. So which is it Dr. Dick...there are no memories recorded or she remembers the whole darn thing? Do you think he actually "gets" how foolish he is sounding?

Samuels is balancing his conclusions with JA on his career. His career is already suspicious after the NJ debacle and now this? He has to maintain all this b/s to appear credible to the jurors.

call me jaded but I bet the only career he is thinking bout now is one where he is another of the dang guest experts on the numerous TH shows.

by justanopinion Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:57 pm

omg I can't stay away.. Laughing

the problem is that he currently has no credibility!

by Calypso Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:07 pm

justanopinion wrote:omg I can't stay away..

the problem is that he currently has no credibility!

Credibility? What's that? HAHAHA!

Laughing

by Freckles Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:09 pm

Tawnidilly brings us the morning session:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFD7XVFpTis

by Freckles Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:14 pm

From Tawnidilly:
JA and the crater comment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zupf-UkL910

Get your head out of there!

I know what you were thinkgin!!! Laughing

by justanopinion Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:15 pm

this is a very interesting video... wish JM had him as a witness...
he is credible!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfkf5bGWXuw

by ShellJett Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:19 pm

Pianist wrote:There is one very good thing about this guy on the stand for 7 days. Nurmi is really quiet! Thank goodness. I think he would give anything to be off this case. I have been watching his expressions. I think he looks "beaten". I have to find 1 good thing because Dr. S makes me sick.

Did you notice Nurmi "speedwalk" up to sidebar? Now that's a sight to see.

by Freckles Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:20 pm

For clarity:

Ducky Dick read from JA's journal re the kicking of Sandy in the restaurant in April 2008. Juan tried to get this introduced but Wilmott immediately was on her feet protesting. Judge allowed the silent reading by Ducky w/ questioning by Juan.

From above: Tawnidilly shared the morning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFD7XVFpTis

by Calypso Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:44 pm

ShellJett wrote:
Pianist wrote:There is one very good thing about this guy on the stand for 7 days. Nurmi is really quiet! Thank goodness. I think he would give anything to be off this case. I have been watching his expressions. I think he looks "beaten". I have to find 1 good thing because Dr. S makes me sick.

Did you notice Nurmi "speedwalk" up to sidebar? Now that's a sight to see.

by justanopinion Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:47 pm

Caly that is hysterical!!

by Calypso Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:48 pm

by auman58 Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:52 pm

Can someone from an Alternative Universe be tried in the U.S.? I'm sure Wurmi knows.

by Calypso Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:54 pm

auman58 wrote:Can someone from an Alternative Universe be tried in the U.S.? I'm sure Wurmi knows.

Hahaha! Because you have feelings for her~

by auman58 Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:56 pm

Calypso wrote:
auman58 wrote:Can someone from an Alternative Universe be tried in the U.S.? I'm sure Wurmi knows.

Hahaha! Because you have feelings for her~

Yes, mostly contempt.

by Calypso Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:59 pm

auman58 wrote:
Calypso wrote:

Hahaha! Because you have feelings for her~

Yes, mostly contempt.

Ya got that right!!

by Freckles Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:01 pm

Dang! Ducky keeps telling of the "trauma" as being the killing of Travis by her own hand or by the hand of another... JA keeps shaking her head no; the duck should be addressing the trauma as being the sposed assault upon her by Travis not so much the actual killing! Put a fork in this guy; he is done!

by Calypso Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:03 pm

by Mylife101 Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:08 pm

Freckles wrote:Dang! Ducky keeps telling of the "trauma" as being the killing of Travis by her own hand or by the hand of another... JA keeps shaking her head no; the duck should be addressing the trauma as being the sposed assault upon her by Travis not so much the actual killing! Put a fork in this guy; he is done!

Excellent observation, freckles!

by olivier57 Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:12 pm

"Isolating of the harsh reality", "Alternative reality", "alternative behavior","avoiding the thought of having been the perpetrator" "method to reduce the trauma"... all of these are pure dialectic...

by Calypso Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:16 pm

olivier57 wrote:"Isolating of the harsh reality", "Alternative reality", "alternative behavior","avoiding the thought of having been the perpetrator" "method to reduce the trauma"... all of these are pure dialectic...

The word "Windbag" comes to mind....

by tesstruhart Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:17 pm

Damn, Willmott objected before Juan even finished his sentence. Must be pretty good then.

by Calypso Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:18 pm

Has anyone been keeping track of the side bars today?

by Freckles Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:18 pm

IF you were trying to avoid thinking or talking about the "trauma" would you ask, repeatedly, to see the crime scene pics? Would you ask how many times was Travis stabbed? Would you want more details? And the pics of Travis' body?

by olivier57 Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:19 pm

JA is sending a continuous flow of desperate OVA messages to her 250$ per hour knight. inlove

by tesstruhart Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:19 pm

Calypso wrote:Has anyone been keeping track of the side bars today?

I ran out of fingers and toes. I come from the Dr. dick school of math.

by Freckles Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:20 pm

olivier57 wrote:"Isolating of the harsh reality", "Alternative reality", "alternative behavior","avoiding the thought of having been the perpetrator" "method to reduce the trauma"... all of these are pure dialectic...

Purely subjective on all the above; nothing objective despite Ducky being subjective and telling us HE is being objective! lol Laughing

by 18thcenturylady Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:21 pm

Well I thought Juan was amazing in the before-lunch cross! What a pompou ass Dr. Baboon is!!! He comes across as a big 'I-think-I-know-it-all' windbag! Ha ha, he was so busy talking down to Juan with one of his mini lectures that he couldn't even see that Juan was making mincemeat out of him! (Am I the only one who thinks this???!!)
I was actually laughing!

Bad bit: At one point Jodi and Wilmot were smiling and snickering with each other. Hope the jury caught that! I thought it was monumentally inappropriate and made J. Wilmot look like an unprofessional teenybopper!

Can't watch the afternoon cross, so I'll have to see it on youtube tomorrow. I think this idiot is toast---Can't see the jury buying one iota of his crap!

by Freckles Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:21 pm

tesstruhart wrote:
Calypso wrote:Has anyone been keeping track of the side bars today?
I ran out of fingers and toes. I come from the Dr. dick school of math.

oh? And do you have a problem with your memory as well?

by Pianist Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:21 pm

Mylife101 wrote:
Freckles wrote:Dang! Ducky keeps telling of the "trauma" as being the killing of Travis by her own hand or by the hand of another... JA keeps shaking her head no; the duck should be addressing the trauma as being the sposed assault upon her by Travis not so much the actual killing! Put a fork in this guy; he is done!

Excellent observation, freckles!

Freckles. My thoughts exactly. Nothing about the trauma of the threat to her life which JA says caused the murder. Conveniently she forgets everything associated with that supposed event except of course shooting him. I would think that the trauma of being threatened would be somewhat important.

by Alessandra_Deux Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:24 pm

Michael Kiefer
@michaelbkiefer

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 16s @LynnKH12
Actually, Samuel is holding his own, and getting to clarify his findings, despite Martinez' onslaught. The jurors look fatigued.

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 9m
Martinez asks Samuels about the flowers Arias sent to Alexander's grandmother. "It's an effort to try to distance herself from the event."

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 6m
Samuels: "I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make." Martinez' voice gets higher and louder and the questions come faster.

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 8m
Martinez insists Arias was thinking about Alexander being dead. Samuels says yes. What's his point?

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 9m Martinez asks Samuels about the flowers Arias sent to Alexander's grandmother. "It's an effort to try to distance herself from the event."

https://twitter.com/michaelbkiefer

by Mylife101 Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:29 pm

olivier57 wrote:"Isolating of the harsh reality", "Alternative reality", "alternative behavior","avoiding the thought of having been the perpetrator" "method to reduce the trauma"... all of these are pure dialectic...

Thanks, Olivier. Your use of "dialectic" just caused me check my understanding of the word and I am now enlightened. Good word choice and good observation.

di·a·lec·tic \ˌdī-ə-ˈlek-tik\

1: logic 1a(1)

2a: discussion and reasoning by dialogue as a method of intellectual investigation; specifically: the Socratic techniques of exposing false beliefs and eliciting truth b: the Platonic investigation of the eternal ideas

3: the logic of fallacy

4a: the Hegelian process of change in which a concept or its realization passes over into and is preserved and fulfilled by its opposite; also: the critical investigation of this process

b (1)usually plural but singular or plural in construction: development through the stages of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis in accordance with the laws of dialectical materialism (2): the investigation of this process (3): the theoretical application of this process especially in the social sciences

5.usually plural but singular or plural in construction
a: any systematic reasoning, exposition, or argument that juxtaposes opposed or contradictory ideas and usually seeks to resolve their conflict
b: an intellectual exchange of ideas

6: the dialectical tension or opposition between two interacting forces or elements
See dialectic defined for English-language learners »
Origin of DIALECTIC

Middle English dialetik, from Anglo-French dialetiqe, from Latin dialectica, from Greek dialektikē, from feminine of dialektikos of conversation, from dialektos
First Known Use: 14th century

highlighted by me. Reference: Mirriam-Webster Online Dictionary. (2013). Retrieved from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dialectic?show=0&t=1364246084

by Mylife101 Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:33 pm

Freckles wrote:IF you were trying to avoid thinking or talking about the "trauma" would you ask, repeatedly, to see the crime scene pics? Would you ask how many times was Travis stabbed? Would you want more details? And the pics of Travis' body?

I know, huh. How many times he was stabbed is a strange question. I mean, really??? If I was told someone was stabbed to death I don't think "How many times?" would be one of the first questions I would ask. Maybe she forgot to keep track while she was stabbing and now the "morbid curiousity" was just killing her!

by Pianist Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:34 pm

I absolutely love Juan. I just wish he would decapitate this man instead of chopping him up little by little.

by glazier Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:35 pm

Hey everybody! Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #9 - Page 4 885607

Been away for a while but this whacked-out EVIL Beyotch
pulled me back in! I don't know this case as well as the CA
case, but I'm catchin' up...
I must say however, I'm a little worried at the number of questions asked by the Jury !? Shocked

Heck if I was on the Jury I wouldn't have ANY questions...
except maybe "How much longer?"

Probably just paranoid from a certain past Trial in Fla.
Right?..RIGHT?...
c'mon, ease my worried mind.lol. Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #9 - Page 4 369770

Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #9 - Page 4 369770

by Pianist Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:39 pm

glazier wrote:Hey everybody!
Been away for a while but this whacked-out EVIL Beyotch
pulled me back in! I don't know this case as well as the CA
case, but I'm catchin' up...
I must say however, I'm a little worried at the number of questions asked by the Jury !?
Heck if I was on the Jury I wouldn't have ANY questions...
except maybe "How much longer?"

Probably just paranoid from a certain past Trial in Fla.
Right?..RIGHT?...
c'mon, ease my worried mind.lol.

The CA trial really hurt all of us. It seems we don't trust our legal system anymore. I know I don't, but we have to trust JM and his experience. Keep you head up I think we are winning this one.

by olivier57 Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:40 pm

"we are talking about semantics" A wordsmith that complains about playing with words, that's too funny... roflao

by Mylife101 Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:41 pm

glazier wrote:Hey everybody!
Been away for a while but this whacked-out EVIL Beyotch
pulled me back in! I don't know this case as well as the CA
case, but I'm catchin' up...
I must say however, I'm a little worried at the number of questions asked by the Jury !?
Heck if I was on the Jury I wouldn't have ANY questions...
except maybe "How much longer?"

Probably just paranoid from a certain past Trial in Fla.
Right?..RIGHT?...
c'mon, ease my worried mind.lol.

I think you can relax. Many of the questions from the jury for JA and Dr. Doofus have all smacked of disbelief and sarcasm. Very Happy

by Mylife101 Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:49 pm

olivier57 wrote:"we are talking about semantics" A wordsmith that complains about playing with words, that's too funny...

I'm not sure I know what you mean, Olivier?

by Calypso Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:51 pm

Give me a break!

IF there was any trauma, it was on TA and his family!

Obviously, this bitch has no conscious. She killed Travis 3 times over. Who gives a rats a$$ how her actions allegedly affected her?

by Freckles Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:54 pm

Calypso wrote:Give me a break!

IF there was any trauma, it was on TA and his family!

Obviously, this bitch has no conscious. She killed Travis 3 times over. Who gives a rats a$$ how her actions allegedly affected her?

She is claiming Travis made her kill him and that is her trauma... crystal ball

by Mylife101 Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:55 pm

Yep, I'm with you on that one. I hope she is living with all kinds of inner turmoil!

by Pianist Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:56 pm

Does anyone else think that the good Dr. Is looking at the defense table with somewhat hateful glances?

by Calypso Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:58 pm

Mylife101 wrote:Yep, I'm with you on that one. I hope she is living with all kinds of inner turmoil!

I hope every time she looks at her hands, she sees blood~

by Freckles Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:59 pm

I am confused.
Having some computer problems here.
When I refreshed, Juan is back u and Ducky is looking at the May 26th 2005 papers.
Is this what others are seeing, too?

by olivier57 Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:59 pm

Mylife101 wrote:
olivier57 wrote:"we are talking about semantics" A wordsmith that complains about playing with words, that's too funny...

I'm not sure I know what you mean, Olivier?

Sorry, my level of english is poor, it was about Dr S critizing JM and telling him "we (understand you) are talking about semantics" because JM was trying to make some difference between rather synonyms words.

by olivier57 Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:00 pm

Freckles wrote:I am confused.
Having some computer problems here.
When I refreshed, Juan is back u and Ducky is looking at the May 26th 2005 papers.
Is this what others are seeing, too?

Yes, got the same too. Fortunately, I was able to switch to another digital line.

Edit : try to close and reopen your browser tab.

by Pianist Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:01 pm

Mylife101 wrote:Yep, I'm with you on that one. I hope she is living with all kinds of inner turmoil!

The only way I could accept a life sentence is if she were put in solitary confinement and had to listen to tapes from the family over and over again. She really needs to suffer. I loved the pic of her on the gurney readied for death. Maybe she should have to see it.

by Mylife101 Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:03 pm

olivier57 wrote:
Mylife101 wrote:

I'm not sure I know what you mean, Olivier?

Sorry, my level of english is poor, it was about Dr S critizing JM and telling him "we (understand you) are talking about semantics" because JM was trying to make some difference between rather synonyms words.

Oh, Ok. I must have missed that. Furthermore, your english is very good. You just taught me a new word several posts back. Thanks Razz

by carlakay Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:05 pm

Ihave lost live feed..are they on evening break yet..

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