Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #23

Hello everyone! Just ran across this article by Wendy Murphy. It is a little long, but very well written and includes a law review article at the end.

PORN DEFENSE AND SEXIST MANIPULATION STRATEGY WORKED FOR NOW, BUT JODI “HANNIBAL LECTER” ARIAS MIGHT NOT GET A SIMILARLY NAÏVE JURY THE NEXT TIME

http://wendymurphylaw.com/jodi-hannibal-lecter-arias/

Refusing to call mitigation witnesses may eventually save Jodi Arias’ life, but the author of the article below notes that it isn’t ethical. The recent evolution of this ugly strategy has inspired legal scholars to urge that such lawyers be reported to the bar and sanctioned for the unethical practice of law, though since defense attorneys control most licensing boards, don’t hold your breath. Chances are much better lawyers who pull this stunt will win awards because in the American legal system, a lack of ethics in criminal defense work isn’t punished so long as the ends justify the means. Which begs an important question for the rest of us: Is saving one psychopath’s life really worth the loss of integrity for an entire legal system, and who do we hold accountable if the answer is “no?”

Weeziethm wrote:Hello everyone! Just ran across this article by Wendy Murphy. It is a little long, but very well written and includes a law review article at the end.

PORN DEFENSE AND SEXIST MANIPULATION STRATEGY WORKED FOR NOW, BUT JODI “HANNIBAL LECTER” ARIAS MIGHT NOT GET A SIMILARLY NAÏVE JURY THE NEXT TIME

http://wendymurphylaw.com/jodi-hannibal-lecter-arias/

Refusing to call mitigation witnesses may eventually save Jodi Arias’ life, but the author of the article below notes that it isn’t ethical. The recent evolution of this ugly strategy has inspired legal scholars to urge that such lawyers be reported to the bar and sanctioned for the unethical practice of law, though since defense attorneys control most licensing boards, don’t hold your breath. Chances are much better lawyers who pull this stunt will win awards because in the American legal system, a lack of ethics in criminal defense work isn’t punished so long as the ends justify the means. Which begs an important question for the rest of us: Is saving one psychopath’s life really worth the loss of integrity for an entire legal system, and who do we hold accountable if the answer is “no?”

Thanks for this excellent article Weeziethm. I'm very happy to notice that it mostly confirms my thoughts, which means that I understood what was going on. No doubt it was also with the help of Rc's members ! Thanks to all of you.

Off-topic


Breaking News!

Jury sentences Mario McNeill to death for the murder of 5 year old Shaniya Davis
Trial was held in Fayetteville, NC

http://www.realitychatter.com/t1430p300-shaniya-davis-found-deceased-11-16-09#217828
RC - Shaniya Davis -- Found Deceased 11/16/09

I have loved Wendy Murphy for years, and I think this article was fantastic. She certainly said things I'd been thinking.

The above article by Wendy Muphy is awesome and certainly highlights why the defense acted like they did in the final stage of the trial. Disgusting is the only word to describe Nurmi and Wilmott.

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Moosiesmama wrote:The above article by Wendy Muphy is awesome and certainly highlights why the defense acted like they did in the final stage of the trial. Disgusting is the only word to describe Nurmi and Wilmott.

I agree moosiesmama!! So why is the DP still on the books when jurors can't impose it thinking/stating it's for 'serial killers, baby killers & cop killers' exclusively? Why isn't one life just as valuable as multiple lives? I'm thoroughly disgusted with this jury, in my mind they are no better than the Pinella's pinheads, they broke the contract they signed to deliver either death or LWOP. The foreman obviously got his rocks off on the disgusting porno that was spewed throughout. I wonder how many other of the 4 holdouts were men. I would like to sit them down all together and show them all the evidence, taped interviews etc: then have them take another vote. This POS arias is pure evil, I hate her and she will kill again if she gets the chance. IMHO only.

hello clarice wrote:

Moosiesmama wrote:The above article by Wendy Muphy is awesome and certainly highlights why the defense acted like they did in the final stage of the trial. Disgusting is the only word to describe Nurmi and Wilmott.

I agree moosiesmama!! So why is the DP still on the books when jurors can't impose it thinking/stating it's for 'serial killers, baby killers & cop killers' exclusively? Why isn't one life just as valuable as multiple lives? I'm thoroughly disgusted with this jury, in my mind they are no better than the Pinella's pinheads, they broke the contract they signed to deliver either death or LWOP. The foreman obviously got his rocks off on the disgusting porno that was spewed throughout. I wonder how many other of the 4 holdouts were men. I would like to sit them down all together and show them all the evidence, taped interviews etc: then have them take another vote. This POS arias is pure evil, I hate her and she will kill again if she gets the chance. IMHO only.

It's really terrible, isn't it. This guy is 70 something and really full of himself to begin with. I just hope the news media STOP giving him air time and print exposure. I am thoroughly disgusted. You'd think at his age he'd have some sense and some wisdom!

18th, the media is salivating all over themselves to interview anyone on this jury. They are nothing but sellers of smut and speculation and we the public fill their coffers with ratings. I haven't watched one interview and don't plan to. They failed to do their job, they used their hearts or in the case of the foreman other parts of their body instead of their brain, so why should I buy into their 15 minutes of fame.

Arizona Supreme Court denies review in Arias case

By Associated Press
Originally published: May 29, 2013 - 3:20 pm

PHOENIX (AP) - The Arizona Supreme Court on Wednesday declined to hear an appeal on whether a judge improperly allowed prosecutors to seek a death sentence for Jodi Arias in the 2008 stabbing and shooting of her former boyfriend.

Arias' lawyers filed the mid-trial appeal with the state high court three months ago after Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Sherry Stephens denied a mistrial motion and a mid-level state court then refused to consider an appeal.

Arias' lawyers say Stephens wrongly allowed a potential death sentence to be based on trial testimony that contradicted a police detective's testimony during a 2009 hearing about how Travis Alexander was killed.

Read more:

http://ktar.com/22/1599197/Arizona-Supreme-Court-denies-review-in-Arias-case?page=4

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Arizona Supreme Court denies review in Arias case

By Associated Press
Originally published: May 29, 2013 - 3:20 pm

PHOENIX (AP) - The Arizona Supreme Court on Wednesday declined to hear an appeal on whether a judge improperly allowed prosecutors to seek a death sentence for Jodi Arias in the 2008 stabbing and shooting of her former boyfriend.

Arias' lawyers filed the mid-trial appeal with the state high court three months ago after Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Sherry Stephens denied a mistrial motion and a mid-level state court then refused to consider an appeal.

Arias' lawyers say Stephens wrongly allowed a potential death sentence to be based on trial testimony that contradicted a police detective's testimony during a 2009 hearing about how Travis Alexander was killed.

Read more:

http://ktar.com/22/1599197/Arizona-Supreme-Court-denies-review-in-Arias-case?page=4

As Nelson from "The Simpsons" would say:



Suckitbitch

Totally agree Moosiesmama, the jury did fail to do the job asked of them, they were told not to go on emotion, but that is what they did.

IMO Jodi is on her way to the DP. But I would like the jurors that would not choose death to have to spend some personal time alone with Jodi. Maybe they would see the errors of their ways. Lol

I have listened to the interviews and it is amazing that not one juror has spoken openly who voted for life. I wonder why! Could it be that they really have no reasonable excuse. The foreman (who we THINK voted for life) never said it. I am waiting to hear from those folks. Aren't you?

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/05/29/what-kind-person-supports-jodi-arias?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Psychologist Cheryl Arutt said that type of person is “somebody who is looking for attention by association. There is a personality that wants to kind of piggyback on somebody else for either fame or notoriety.”

But attorney Mark Eiglarsh noted, “Every one of [those types of people] has the ability to serve on any potential jury. When you wonder how come there's no slam dunks in the justice system, it's because everyone is randomly called and can have their own as-crazy-as-they-want thought processes."

Moosiesmama wrote:18th, the media is salivating all over themselves to interview anyone on this jury. They are nothing but sellers of smut and speculation and we the public fill their coffers with ratings. I haven't watched one interview and don't plan to. They failed to do their job, they used their hearts or in the case of the foreman other parts of their body instead of their brain, so why should I buy into their 15 minutes of fame.

Hi Moosie,
I agree. Other than that smarmy idiot of a forman last week, I didn't plan to watch any. Saw a bit of the 2 women interviewed when I walked into the room and they were on a news show. I have not watched HLN or any trial coverage since that pitiful non-verdict and don't plan to.
I just hope they are ALL horrified when they learn all the stuff about Jodi that we do!

Was juror #17 an alternate??

I am confused by her statement "I didn't know the verdict when I walked in"

justanopinion wrote:Was juror #17 an alternate??

I am confused by her statement "I didn't know the verdict when I walked in"

Yes, # 17 was a woman about 30. Said Jodi KEPT STARING HER DOWN THE WHOLE TIME. She was devastated not to be chosen to deliberate. She would have voted for the DP. She didn't buy a single word of Jodi's crap! Too bad she wasn't on the jury...
I still think this is a terrible and flawed system. 12 people with who knows what personal hangups decide murder cases (etc.) I just think it's bad...
I don't know what would be better, but this system is too much of a crapshoot IMO.

I guess 18th I agree with the panel from Dr. Drew where they said that when they are selecting a jury there isn't really enough time to "know" the people... you ask questions.. and you have to rely on them telling the truth; and the worst part is that so many people are attention seekers or mentally unstable and it is not always easy to tell within a few minutes. Even when there are professionals who are experienced with "reading" people some slip by... so it makes for a crap shoot.

Even on here we were willing (a few of us) to say Jodi who?? just so we could see justice done.. And I don't believe that any of us would intentionally misrepresent ourselves in normal situations.. But if you are being asked to sit through what this jury did your own morals and integrity have to be clear. JMO

Even though the system is not perfect, it is better than the government deciding all cases because IMO government is based on corruption and political motivation. It is also IMO better than professional juries because people in designated jobs many times can be bought and paid for. $$$ speaks loud and clear. A jury of our peers is what we have to live with today. IMO our peers are diverse, many times psychos in their right, and everyone has his/her own biases. Everyone has their own experiences to draw from.

IMO the Arias' jurors should have either been all women or not been allowed to see Jodi. The men couldn't think with their brains. They fell to her manipulation.

Prosecutor discusses next steps for Arias case .

Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery discussed the next steps for the Arias case at a news conference Thursday

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Prosecutor-discusses-next-steps-for-Arias-case-209555371.html

Weeziethm wrote:Prosecutor discusses next steps for Arias case .

Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery discussed the next steps for the Arias case at a news conference Thursday

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Prosecutor-discusses-next-steps-for-Arias-case-209555371.html

Couldn't it be possible that JA decides to accept LWOP and as soon as the deal is done, begins appeals and appeals ? They are probably searching such cases in the records...

Hi Olivier, my guess is that the prosecution and family would only accept LWOP if it comes without parole and without appeals. Not sure JA would be down with that. It is also a huge expense to the state to go forward with another trial, mini or not, so it will be interesting to see how all of this shakes out. Also, DP comes with appeals that are paid for by the state; whereas LWOP means any appeals, if granted, would be paid for by JA and her cronies. As cringe-worthy as Nurmi and Wilmott have been - referencing the above article by Wendy Murphy - I'm not so sure they want to be tied to the hip of JA for any longer than necessary.

They are not asking me, but I'd be good with LWOP, no parole and no appeals, however, I'd put in my request to assign JA to be Angela Simpsons' lifelong roommate....

olivier57 wrote:

Weeziethm wrote:Prosecutor discusses next steps for Arias case .

Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery discussed the next steps for the Arias case at a news conference Thursday

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Prosecutor-discusses-next-steps-for-Arias-case-209555371.html

Couldn't it be possible that JA decides to accept LWOP and as soon as the deal is done, begins appeals and appeals ? They are probably searching such cases in the records...

Olivier, as we have learned in this case, anything is possible. I feel that if LWOP is offered, it will be with the caveat that she will waive all her rights to appeal. I think in a take or leave it offer. However, I am not sure the family wants that. The word is they want to go for DP. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. the good part is, she is caged 23 hours a day....oh well.

Jodi will never waive her rights to future appeals.


Not that she has any chance of overturning the M1.

But Juan can still say to let the judge sentence her. We shall see.

You all know what is sad? Jodi thinks she has won. Travis is dead so she can start her life over. Oh snap she forgot that she gets to spend all her good years in prison. I have listened to her talking about being abused and she really believes this story. I think it will take her a few years to realize that she killed herself the day she killed Travis.

:cry:True!

Mari 68 wrote:Jodi will never waive her rights to future appeals.


Not that she has any chance of overturning the M1.

But Juan can still say to let the judge sentence her. We shall see.

We should all protest Jodi's defense team.

Welcome to RC tobygal, always good to have a new member join and to get new ideas. We will just have to wait till July for the outcome of this case.

I guess we will start with the George Zimmerman trial week after next. What's happening next week. I am so sick of everyone on HLN, just keep on discussing the Arias case, and they don't know any more than I do what is going to happen. It is just guesses and I would rather forget about her till July. She wants everyone to keep discussing her on TV. She can't see it, but I'm sure her family and friends will tell her what is being said about her. KEEPING HER FAMOUS.

tesstruhart wrote:

olivier57 wrote:

Couldn't it be possible that JA decides to accept LWOP and as soon as the deal is done, begins appeals and appeals ? They are probably searching such cases in the records...

Olivier, as we have learned in this case, anything is possible. I feel that if LWOP is offered, it will be with the caveat that she will waive all her rights to appeal. I think in a take or leave it offer. However, I am not sure the family wants that. The word is they want to go for DP. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. the good part is, she is caged 23 hours a day....oh well.

Yes, anything is possible and it's also possible to find many overturned convictions. It's seems that it's better to get death, have then an attorney paid by the state and begin the appeals circuits. Any tiny mistake can then lead to parole and release... No doubt, even after 1,5 M$ Arizona tax payers are just beginning their expenses for JA...

tobygal wrote:You all know what is sad? Jodi thinks she has won. Travis is dead so she can start her life over. Oh snap she forgot that she gets to spend all her good years in prison. I have listened to her talking about being abused and she really believes this story. I think it will take her a few years to realize that she killed herself the day she killed Travis.

Welcome!

Jodi doesn't believe her own story. She knows she is a liar and a manipulator. Everything she has done was done calculatingly. She believes that she is so much smarter than everyone else, however.
I think that has been proven wrong! Jodi has a disorder and will be a liar and manipulator as well as a danger to society forever. She is NOT able to be rehabilitated.
I do not believe for one minute that Jodi will EVER show remorse for this crime, no matter how many years go by. In her own sick mind she feels Travis wronged her and deserved to die!

I do not think the prosecutor of the Alexander family will accept a deal at this point. If I were a betting woman, I think that there will be another trial for the sentencing phase in a few months or so. This is the wish of the Alexander family and they are committed to that. I think they should have the right to have that.
Hopefully the next jury will give her the death penalty.

Have Will-not and No-hurry... I mean Wilmot and Nurmi filed to be released from JA yet... or are they stuck with her 'til the bitter end??

justanopinion wrote:Have Will-not and No-hurry... I mean Wilmot and Nurmi filed to be released from JA yet... or are they stuck with her 'til the bitter end??

Yeah, I'd like to know that too...

justanopinion wrote:Was juror #17 an alternate??
I am confused by her statement "I didn't know the verdict when I walked in"

Now that I've had a few days to let this verdict sink in and listen to a couple or three jurors' comments, I can sort of feel the true disappointment in their voices and see it in their faces. Except in THAT one man. Did I understand he was the jury foreman? By the end of his comments I was just livid, nauseous, foul-mouthed, tv-yelling moron; even went so far as to call him a dirty old man (since he reminded me of someone where we used to live). Hubs, who was 1/2 listening, even sort of agreed (doesn't normally follow along as intently) but was almost as grossed out as I was at this guy. (I notice his interview isn't one that is over-played as the other, well-spoken ones -- women -- who had no problem with the DP -- disclaimer: "THAT one man" I'm referring to is the only male juror that I've seen interviewed so far.)

Regarding the alternate jurors: Are they in the same room with the jurors as they debate so they are up-to-speed in case they have to step in quickly? (I know all states are different, but even the alternate interviewed on this show seemed close to other jurors.) I'm thinking they're just somewhere in the courthouse nearby in case of some emergent situation so the jury can just carry on (or something like that; don't really think it would've have been too hard to catch-up, especially since the jurors didn't seem like slackers).

Thinking about the Alexander family a lot these days. While I understand how they so desperately wanted the DP, they have been through so much these past years. I wonder if they gave the word, for their own health and well being, would Juan possibly do a deal? Granted ja would not likely even consider .... but the toll this one biotch took on this entire family, extended family, friends (mentally, physically, monetarily .... for the rest of their lives) .... could the Alexander family make it through another round? Yes, even just the penalty phase. My heart aches for them.


8 to 4? I guess the other 3 of the 4 aren't so much interested in talking to the media? Not that I blame them. HOWEVER, I admire the other jurors for not outing them -- those 4 hid behind the (defense presented) mitigating jokes by jodi. Wonder how those 4 feel now? Now that they know they've been scammed? Even her very own family didn't speak out in ja's defense?!? Dude, that would've been the very first thing I noticed during the mitigating phase, well, besides constant shifting away from client/body language of defense folks (they're no longer a "team"). ~~CU

One last thing: I do believe a jury can be found in this county. Just a quick survey in my community: "have you heard about that trial in AZ? You know the one that .... ?" Only a small number had sort of heard of it "a while back" but didn't know any details to speak of. One person at hub's work knew some things about it (i.e., a trial in AZ, a stolen gun, Mormon, supposed wild sex & other minor things seen on HuffPost). Mom told me about it (but, sadly, she still doesn't really understand what's going on). So with a county that large and so many registered voters, defense should just suck it up and don't piss off the Judge or Juan anymore than necessary. IMHO only, ja will get death or lwop. I just do NOT see this judge giving ja a chance at any parole. Especially after her reaction at this verdict.

Hi Claire, I have the same reaction to the jury foreman as you do. I think the decision to re-do the penalty phase will take into consideration the desires of the family. The last I heard they were firmly standing for the dp. They know that this will be incredibly stressful, but the demon seed as done so much damage to this point, I think for their own sense of justice for Travis, they want to see it through.
As far as the alternate jurors are concerned, it is my understanding that they are separated from the deliberating jurors. They have their own area to 'hang out in'. They are available to step in as needed. If that were to happen, then technically the deliberating has to start over. I think in reality, this trial was so long and repetitive everyone knew the facts (or what they perceived to be facts) like the back of their hand.
I believe the very least that the demon will receive is LWOP. I am ok with that. Actually if that is what she does get, there will likely not be an appeal anytime soon as she will have to pay for that. If she gets the dp, the state will pick up the cost of appeals.

18thcenturylady wrote:

justanopinion wrote:Have Will-not and No-hurry... I mean Wilmot and Nurmi filed to be released from JA yet... or are they stuck with her 'til the bitter end??

Yeah, I'd like to know that too...

I think they have to stay on. I know all the talk about possibly extending or accepting an offer of LWOP and giving up appeals and no media contact in the future has been on the airwaves and print for last week.

Ain't gonna happen. Jodi will never agree to not be able to appeal and speak out to the media.

It really is too bad that Jodi didn't aim the gun properly, or gotten a larger caliber gun.

She could have gotten off with M2 or manslaughter had she just shot him in the head the one time.

But Jodi is one walking retard - uses big words wrong, misspells some of the most rudimentary words, copies/traces artwork and claims it to be her originals, etc.

I'm glad to not be hearing from her. Because I know it bothers her - but I kinda wish Sheriff Joe would not have stopped the access to media because Jodi could continue to hang herself for weeks to come before the penalty phase retrial.

Off-topic

New deadline for letters opposing parole for Abigail Young: 6/30/13


Yesterday (5/30/13), I spoke to a representative from the Texas Dept. of Criminal Justice - Victim Services Division in Austin, TX.

I was told that numerous letters opposing Abigail Young's parole have been received.

Parole review is a process. The representative told me that letters can still be sent and if received by June, 30, 2013, they will be included in Abigail Young's file which will be sent to the Texas Board of Pardons & Paroles.

The representative suggests that if any one still wants to write a letter, they do so as soon as possible. The sooner; the better!

Also, you can write more than one letter. If you already sent a letter and you forgot to include some info you wanted to state in your first letter, you can send another letter.

You can include Links to articles, pdf files, etc. in your letter.

So . . . if you have not written a letter opposing Abigail Young's parole, you still have an opportunity to be a voice for her daughter, the victim . . . barely-4-year old Emma Thompson who was brutally raped and beaten to death!

As stated in previous comments, serving less than 3 years of a 20 year sentence is NOT justice for Emma Thompson!


If you have limited time, your letter can be as simple as:

"I oppose parole for Abigail Young."


Letters can me mailed, e-mailed or FAX and MUST include Abigail Young's pertinent TDCJ info (hi-lited in blue):

Reference: Young, Abigail
State ID: 08428403
TDCJ ID: 01668233
Placed on Parole Review: 4/30/13

Texas Dept. of Criminal Justice
Victim Services Division
8712 Shoal Creek Blvd., Ste. 265
Austin, TX 78757-6899

Email: victim.svc@tdcj.state.tx.us

Fax: (512) 452-0825

Source of comment:

http://www.realitychatter.com/t4317-emma-thompson-deceased-6-27-09-thread-2#218018
RC - Emma Thompson thread #2
~~~~~

Special thanks to all of you who wrote a letter opposing parole for Abigail Young and being a voice for precious Emma Thompson.

Thank you, in advance, to those who will write a letter opposing parole for Abigail Young by the new deadline of 6/30/13!

http://www.freep.com/article/20130531/NEWS07/305310038/Jodi-Arias-appeal-rejected
Detroit Free Press - Detroit, MI -- 5/31/13

Jodi Arias appeal rejected by high court

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/30/prosecutor-discusses-next-steps-in-arias-case-says-hell-seek-input-from-victim/
FOX News - 5/30/13

Prosecutor discusses next steps in Arias case, says he'll seek input from victim's family

Mari 68 wrote:Jodi will never waive her rights to future appeals.


Not that she has any chance of overturning the M1.

But Juan can still say to let the judge sentence her. We shall see.

I concur with your statements. ^^^
IMO, JA wanted the manslaughter charges so she could be out sooner than a LWP charge. Maybe, she actually believed she could connive her way with a parole board?
She is good at her fibbing! That is until you listen to her on the stand for 18 days and watch her in the court.

JA is NOT going to accept any plea that does not include parole. Period. JMO.

BTW, I have watched so many of the vids and studied JA in court as well as in other vics. She HAS to be center of attention. In court, she was always touching her atty and demanding Wilmot pay attention to what she was saying or had written down. It would drive her crazy to be deprived of human interaction. That, IMO, would be a very fine punishment. (Maybe, if she messes up, she can lose her phone privileges as well.)

Freckles wrote:

Mari 68 wrote:Jodi will never waive her rights to future appeals.


Not that she has any chance of overturning the M1.

But Juan can still say to let the judge sentence her. We shall see.

I concur with your statements. ^^^
IMO, JA wanted the manslaughter charges so she could be out sooner than a LWP charge. Maybe, she actually believed she could connive her way with a parole board?
She is good at her fibbing! That is until you listen to her on the stand for 18 days and watch her in the court.

JA is NOT going to accept any plea that does not include parole. Period. JMO.

BTW, I have watched so many of the vids and studied JA in court as well as in other vics. She HAS to be center of attention. In court, she was always touching her atty and demanding Wilmot pay attention to what she was saying or had written down. It would drive her crazy to be deprived of human interaction. That, IMO, would be a very fine punishment. (Maybe, if she messes up, she can lose her phone privileges as well.)

right on ,Freckles. I totally agree.

Nasty piece of weather tonight and tomorrow.
Oklahoma to Joplin to St. Louis and back to OK City.
Now the tornadoes are cutting straight across southern MO and heading for Indiana and parts beyond.

Please take a moment to remember those in danger, those losing a night's rest, and those feared with uncertainty and fear tonight.

Stay safe. Stay well.

tesstruhart wrote:Hi Claire, I have the same reaction to the jury foreman as you do. I think the decision to re-do the penalty phase will take into consideration the desires of the family. The last I heard they were firmly standing for the dp. They know that this will be incredibly stressful, but the demon seed as done so much damage to this point, I think for their own sense of justice for Travis, they want to see it through.
As far as the alternate jurors are concerned, it is my understanding that they are separated from the deliberating jurors. They have their own area to 'hang out in'. They are available to step in as needed. If that were to happen, then technically the deliberating has to start over. I think in reality, this trial was so long and repetitive everyone knew the facts (or what they perceived to be facts) like the back of their hand.
I believe the very least that the demon will receive is LWOP. I am ok with that. Actually if that is what she does get, there will likely not be an appeal anytime soon as she will have to pay for that. If she gets the dp, the state will pick up the cost of appeals.

Whew! Glad I'm not the only one reading that juror in such a weird way. From the things he said, he seemed to fall for the abuse scenario that was only in Jodi's world.

I do admire the Alexander family. MOO, but I believe at this point they believe the DP is it -- bring it on home for Travis. If the sentence ends up LWOP, it's still a win for them and I hope they do understand that they're over the biggest hurdle. They did win the biggest fight and (MOO) that's huge. Of course we can always hope she will mess up even in 23-hr lockdown. She has to be spitting nails by this point. That thought makes me smile.

TY for the alternate juror info. It did answer my question as to why, after the verdict, the still seemed so emotionally close. ~~CU

Three new docket entries:

5/30/2013 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 5/30/2013
5/30/2013 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 5/30/2013
5/30/2013 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 5/30/2013

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CriminalCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2008-031021

sassy5d wrote:Ok, I just lmbo about the 'occupy hln' foolishness.
If you'd like a good laugh, read up. It comes off as a genuine paranoid schizophrenic off their medications.

Whoa! Interesting site! Sure is full of paranoia! However, I can thank them for this link http://www.change.org/petitions/create-travis-alexander-s-law-stop-allowing-highly-prejudicial-claims-against-murder-victims-without-evidence to a petition to disallow unsubstantiated character assassination of murder victims. Think I signed it? LOL. Slamdunk!

glazier wrote:A bit off topic, but I have been visiting a Message Board that has a WIDE variety of topics and thousands of members...a really BIG one. I find it interesting because many posters have advanced Degrees in various fields, enginers,doctors,professors ,LAWYERS, etc.

I found they had an 'Arias Thread', not many pages, but with quite a few Lawyers posting.
They spent most of their time explaining HOW THEY WOULD GET HER OFF Or at least try as they acknowledged
the Prosecution case was daunting. They immediately began attacking Travis and the whole Prepaid Legal...how they would paint him as a ruthless snake oil salesman who screwed people over(and 1 of these people killed him)
Various other strategy followed, all 'putting the Victim on Trial'
They even cited the OJ case as a landmark in how to get a Guilty client off.

The reason I'm sharing this is, their way of thinking is so foreign to me...to take joy and pride in putting a brutal murderer(that you personally KNOW is Guilty) back on the street. Like its a game, and winning the game is all that matters. How does that give satisfaction?
How does that make the World a better place?

I know, I know 'somebody has to Defend them'
Maybe so, but I could NEVER do it, not someone like JA,
I just couldn't. I could never look at...say, the Goldman family afterwards.
If I had that kind of talent I couldn't waste it like that.

Seeing this really gave me insight into how Defense Attorneys* think.

* some anyway

It is like they have blinders on, only seeing the "craft" of the case they need to put on, wherein justice is not even part of the equation. Pretty sad. Makes me long for the old days when Perry Mason would tell his clients that if they were guilty he wouldn't defend them. Imagine my shock when I learned that is not the case at all!

Hi every one, I was thinking about the second jury which does not seem to be a very good solution and is a good way for appeals. It's not at all my business but I was wondering, as DP is much debated, generates huge costs, sometimes ends with lwop or even parole, why AZ should not avoid this rather strange step and choose automatically LWOP if jurors do not reach an unanimous decision.

renatae wrote:

sassy5d wrote:Ok, I just lmbo about the 'occupy hln' foolishness.
If you'd like a good laugh, read up. It comes off as a genuine paranoid schizophrenic off their medications.

Whoa! Interesting site! Sure is full of paranoia! However, I can thank them for this link http://www.change.org/petitions/create-travis-alexander-s-law-stop-allowing-highly-prejudicial-claims-against-murder-victims-without-evidence to a petition to disallow unsubstantiated character assassination of murder victims. Think I signed it? LOL. Slamdunk!

I went over to the site and signed it. It is a scary thing that any of us could be sitting in prison just by word of mouth or be dead and the person that killed us slams us and gets away with it. Sad justice. I know some are guilty but show me first what proof you have or I will not believe you.

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Three new docket entries:

5/30/2013 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 5/30/2013
5/30/2013 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 5/30/2013
5/30/2013 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 5/30/2013

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CriminalCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2008-031021

gotta wonder what they are about?? Is party (001) the state? if so could be dates for seating new jurors (here's hoping) MOO