Off-topic: sitemama's birthday today!

by Ann - Tx Mon May 27, 2013 10:46 am

Off-topic:

Today, 5/27/13, is sitemama's birthday. sitemama helps monitors the threads here at RC and "keeps us in line."

Please take the time to wish her a "Happy Birthday" on the thread that has been set up for her.

Please do not get the Arias thread off topic with birthday wishes. Thanks.

http://www.realitychatter.com/t4327-happy-birthday-sitemama-5-27-13#217519
RC - "Happy Birthday, sitemama" thread

by tesstruhart Mon May 27, 2013 11:24 am

I have mentioned on here before that I, at one time, worked in the county jail here. Not in AZ. However, I was in medical not corrections. It was interesting to see when an inmate (or detainee as we called them) was up for trial. They could be scuzzbuckets, but they got haircuts, spiffed up for the courtroom. After being Mr/Miss innocent in the courtroom they would come back to jail and brag how they had the jury eating out of their hand. Of course, not always judging by the guilty verdicts. i remember one case in particular because it was a young girl 18 years old. She and her boyfriend killed her father because she wanted more money and he wouldn't give it to her. She was a royal bit ch on wheels. When she went to court, she was sniveling and crying and laughing about it when she got back to her cell. When I have been called for jury duty, I never served on a jury, but I look at the defendent with a bit of a jaded eye. I would have to hear the facts of the case of course, but damn, what goes on behind the scenes....

by justanopinion Mon May 27, 2013 11:25 am

olivier57 wrote:
justanopinion wrote:

Very off topic, but Olivier when I see your comments I am often reminded of a penpal I had way back when... His name was Phillipe Larpent... I don't remember what part of France he was from but I do remember how much I enjoyed writing him... some 40 years ago!! Even kept his picture!! lol

I had a look it's likely that he lived in the center of France, near "Chateaux de la Loire". Most Larpent come from the "Departement of Cher". A real lovely place !

Thank you Olivier. I really don't remember what the name of the town was and I have looked at maps and don't recognize any of the names. lol I get confused now because of doing our Genealogy and finding so many of the ancestors from France in the 1600's. I do remember he lived near a wine area... but then I think France has a few of those areas.

by olivier57 Mon May 27, 2013 11:41 am

There are famous wines "Vins de Loire" and this place is between Bordeaux and Burgundy, so he must be close...

by olivier57 Mon May 27, 2013 11:41 am

Damn, I just saw the video of Angela Simpson, that's really incredible, I'm astonished. She looks like so normal, so natural, even sad not being able to speak about her children, it's very difficult to understand that she was able to commit a such horrendous crime. I wonder what Terry Neely did to create so much hate from her.

by tesstruhart Mon May 27, 2013 11:54 am

olivier57 wrote:Damn, I just saw the video of Angela Simpson, that's really incredible, I'm astonished. She looks like so normal, so natural, even sad not being able to speak about her children, it's very difficult to understand that she was able to commit a such horrendous crime. I wonder what Terry Neely did to create so much hate from her.

I just watched it too Olivier, its just so hard to understand that mindset. She was very forthcoming and feels comfortable with what she has done. It's scary. JA better hope she gets death, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near this 'person'. If she perceives someone to be a snitch and she's white....well not a good sign.

by olivier57 Mon May 27, 2013 12:06 pm

"forthcoming", yes, that was the idea I searched for. Unfortunately, "criminal" is not written on the forehead, it would be so simple !!

by justanopinion Mon May 27, 2013 12:06 pm

renatae wrote:
18thcenturylady wrote:
Wishing everyone a happy Memorial day. Hope you all have lot's of fun with picnics and parades!
We were hired to march in the Limerick Maine Memorial Day parade in 18thc. clothing (Rev war patriots!)
Adam will be firing his musket for the "edification" of the crowds!

Have a great time! I know you won't be "de-edifying" anyone! LOL

18th you and hubby look spectacular... I know you both had a great time!

by justanopinion Mon May 27, 2013 12:23 pm

tesstruhart wrote:I have mentioned on here before that I, at one time, worked in the county jail here. Not in AZ. However, I was in medical not corrections. It was interesting to see when an inmate (or detainee as we called them) was up for trial. They could be scuzzbuckets, but they got haircuts, spiffed up for the courtroom. After being Mr/Miss innocent in the courtroom they would come back to jail and brag how they had the jury eating out of their hand. Of course, not always judging by the guilty verdicts. i remember one case in particular because it was a young girl 18 years old. She and her boyfriend killed her father because she wanted more money and he wouldn't give it to her. She was a royal bit ch on wheels. When she went to court, she was sniveling and crying and laughing about it when she got back to her cell. When I have been called for jury duty, I never served on a jury, but I look at the defendent with a bit of a jaded eye. I would have to hear the facts of the case of course, but damn, what goes on behind the scenes....

I had a friend who worked as a guard in what formerly was called the Kingston Penn... and the things she told me... would curl your hair! Makes me wonder if Jodi has been somehow hiding her true colours while she has been in jail ... since they seem to be so lenient with granting interviews from behind bars?

by tesstruhart Mon May 27, 2013 12:23 pm

I can't wait for some of 18th's picture from today. I bet she and her husband have a blast doing this.

by tesstruhart Mon May 27, 2013 12:28 pm

justanopinion wrote:
tesstruhart wrote:I have mentioned on here before that I, at one time, worked in the county jail here. Not in AZ. However, I was in medical not corrections. It was interesting to see when an inmate (or detainee as we called them) was up for trial. They could be scuzzbuckets, but they got haircuts, spiffed up for the courtroom. After being Mr/Miss innocent in the courtroom they would come back to jail and brag how they had the jury eating out of their hand. Of course, not always judging by the guilty verdicts. i remember one case in particular because it was a young girl 18 years old. She and her boyfriend killed her father because she wanted more money and he wouldn't give it to her. She was a royal bit ch on wheels. When she went to court, she was sniveling and crying and laughing about it when she got back to her cell. When I have been called for jury duty, I never served on a jury, but I look at the defendent with a bit of a jaded eye. I would have to hear the facts of the case of course, but damn, what goes on behind the scenes....

I had a friend who worked as a guard in what formerly was called the Kingston Penn... and the things she told me... would curl your hair! Makes me wonder if Jodi has been somehow hiding her true colours while she has been in jail ... since they seem to be so lenient with granting interviews from behind bars?
We never had any media interviews at the jail where I worked. the only time I can remember was when the local Fox affiliate had apparently gained permission to film inside the jail (I worked maximun sec. jail). I was coming out of the infirmary right into a camera lens 4 inches from my face. I let out an expletive (I believe I am still lying on the cutting room floor ). Inmates were not allowed to have individual media interviews.

by justanopinion Mon May 27, 2013 12:36 pm

@ tesstruhart

Kingston was one of the Maximum facilities here... and I am shocked that Jodi was allowed so many interviews. In my opinion the liberties she was granted made it seem like a cakewalk to be there... I understand she has the right to be presumed innocent but give me a break... what was afforded her was over the top IMO

by tesstruhart Mon May 27, 2013 12:46 pm

I agree Just. I think, with that jail, before you were convicted there was a policy, however, this was 20 minutes after she was convicted of M1. I think Arpaio was bamboozled by this because the timing was so critical to JA. I think now that she is M1 he has the 'right' to deny said privilege. I could be wrong, but that is what it seems like.

by gsweater Mon May 27, 2013 2:09 pm

keikikiki wrote:
justanopinion wrote:

Agreed, I just hope that Angela threatens and yells at JA... since JA said that "no one would be in danger as long as they didn't threaten her or yell at her" JA is a delusional POS and I hope she is as uncomfortable and lonely as she can be... I hope that she feels that living in her cell is like being buried alive. I hope she has nightmares and that the spirit of TA haunts her every moment.

Gsweater: Thanks, man. Just watched Hodi's soon-to-be-neighboroonie Angela, & I just about pooped myself. Definitely sucking my thumb. Omg. Momma. Hold the baby, hold the baby. Wowza. Head's up y'all: any one of yous feelin' a wee bit down in the dumps after the bogus hang job this jury handed down on Ariass...Take a gander at this clip of Angela, and you might just find yourself re-thinkin' the whole 'what's worse' punishment for convict Hodi. Here I was, all bummed out thinkin' Ariass might skate by with life in Perryville. Ha! Well, let's just say that I've got the ol' pep back in me-step now. Seriously, Hodi might just wanna flip-flop back to her pre-verdict preference for dp. I'd understand, after seeing this interview. Wow. Now I'm thinkin' a taste of her own psycho medicine might be just what the doctor ordered for Ariass. And I'm thinkin' 23/7 lockdown for a few years followed by having to fight for a crappy job just so she can try to EARN the right to have face time (aka sharin' snacks & idle chit-chat) with other psychos...well, that sounds just fine now. Good luck with that Hodi.

Hodi- you migggght just wanna shuffle your priority list asap. For starters, you might wanna face the fact that THE BEST CASE scenario you've got is growing old and gray with the likes of Angie here. Once that sinks in, you might wanna call up ALV to get an appt. STAT. 'Cause girrrl...You are about to be given a crash course in what is actually IS like to be abused. I seriously doubt that Angie is gonna buy your dog & pony show about how abused you were, how bad your life was. I'm thinkin' Angie & her 'sisters' might not be impressed by your victimology/coy librarian routine and Thesaurus and 'fire-hazard' fan-mail and diva demanding lipgloss interview m.o. Yeah, I'm thinkin' you might wanna stop whining about being 'betrayed' by the jury and start scheming how to avoid being made into sausage by Angela if you do 'win' and end up with 'life'.

I did a bit of research on Perryville prison, and one other thing really soothes my frustration at the thought of Ariass 'getting' life there. This one thing is pretty dang important for quality of life in AZ, and that is known as air-conditioning. To those of you thinkin' I'm exaggerating...well, you haven't tried it, is all I can think of. AZ, especially Phoenix area, is like the 8th ring of hell without a/c- especially during monsoon season. Perryville does have evaporative coolers, but I'm tellin' ya- they don't do squat...especially in a concrete jungle, with no shady trees for miles around. They get to shower 3x/week Iirc. Seriously, even if the other inmates were sugar bears instead of Angelas, if I had to live in Phx AZ without a/c...I'd lose it. Un-freaking-bearable. I'm just sayin'. JA is s-c-r-e-w-e-d.

So. On that happy note, I'll just wish y'all a peaceful Memorial Day. Shout out to all veterans and their loved ones. We love you and are so very grateful for your sacrifice. God Bless y'all.

Oh hellllllz yeah keikikiki! You know what would make a great reality TV show? JA in Perryville. All done with security monitors. Watch her lose her mind and possibly her life. I'd watch. I'd love to see her smart off to someone like Angela, if not Angela. The same poster of the Rose Colored Glasses has another video he posted that goes into some other detail. I'm thinking that I may prefer her to get life, considering that the odds of her being murdered in prison are greater. That, combined with the hell she'll endure makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Very Happy

by Ann - Tx Mon May 27, 2013 5:38 pm

Off-topic:

Today, 5/27/13, is sitemama's birthday. sitemama helps monitors the threads here at RC and "keeps us in line."

Please take the time to wish sitemama a "Happy Birthday" on the thread that has been set up for her.

Please do not get the Arias thread off topic with birthday wishes. Thanks.

http://www.realitychatter.com/t4327-happy-birthday-sitemama-5-27-13#217519
RC - "Happy Birthday, sitemama" thread

by keikikiki Mon May 27, 2013 7:11 pm

justanopinion wrote:holy smokes that Angela Simpson is a piece of work...

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/04/angela_simpson_gets_life_in_pr.php

earlier interview... Jodi may end up being best friends with this one... or Angela might meet her opportunity!

Thanks Just!

Y'all have motivated me to order every book I could find from the library...Don't know much about prison life, but these interviews have indeed motivated me to learn more about what 'life' is like for purps like Hodi. The Estrella jail seems waaay too cushy for her, and that's what I worried her life would be like if she avoids the dp. So anything y'all find about Perryville, max prisons, other inmates, etc...

I'd greatly appreciate anything about this y'all can find. This is spooky stuff. But it's helpin' to put my mind at ease, about the injustice of some of these verdicts. So keep 'em comin' y'all! Thanks again!

by Sarainbc Mon May 27, 2013 9:36 pm

I saw the nterview with Angela Simpson, wow she is a special kinda crazy and yes I hope her and Jodi cross paths. I am sure she would not like her just because she has been on the interview circuit and it seems like AS quite enjoyed her 15 min of fame. Jodi being white is not going to help her. After watching that vieo I was quite satiisfied that LWOP will be no cakewalk for the manipulative but not overly tough Jodi. Her little fake tears will not help her with the women she will encounter in maximum security prison. After watching that video I was thinking I would prefer death row over having to be around women that are like AS!

When is Jodi going to be sent away to never be heard from again? I am tired of all her theatrics and will never watch any interview of hers again it is just pandering to her ego.

by keikikiki Tue May 28, 2013 12:34 am

tesstruhart wrote:I can't wait for some of 18th's picture from today. I bet she and her husband have a blast doing this.

Me too Tessie!

by olivier57 Tue May 28, 2013 2:02 am

Continuation of the Meilhon's trial. No doubt he is a dangerous psychopath. If you understand French (or if Google translate does not make too much mistakes) You'll find similiarities with JA about lies, fog, others'guilt not to speak about the horrendous crime.

http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2013/05/27/la-defense-de-tony-meilhon-tente-d-obtenir-un-report-du-proces_906130
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2013/05/27/01016-20130527ARTFIG00637-meurtre-de-laetitia-tony-meilhon-donne-sa-version.php

by 18thcenturylady Tue May 28, 2013 8:12 am

tesstruhart wrote:I can't wait for some of 18th's picture from today. I bet she and her husband have a blast doing this.

Hi guys!
Yesterday was our 6th wedding anniversary, but we are celebrating that another day. We had a FANTASTIC day in the parade yesterday, and our friends also made a wonderful lunch for us and a few of their friends. We took about 80 photos and will be putting them up on our website IN A COUPLE DAYS. (I'll post here with a link when they are up, but here's a really sweet one of Adam teaching a friends son who also was with us in the parade, some musket maneuvers from an 18thc. manual of arms. What a perfect day it was!
Can't wait to share it with all of you~

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #23 - Page 14 P1010012

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by justanopinion Tue May 28, 2013 8:45 am

@ 18th The pictures you shared with are lovely. Looks like so much fun. We spent the weekend at Field Trials for the Versatile dogs... We had one of the pups from our breeding run. She got two titles in two weekends. I was impressed!

by 18thcenturylady Tue May 28, 2013 9:27 am

justanopinion wrote:@ 18th The pictures you shared with are lovely. Looks like so much fun. We spent the weekend at Field Trials for the Versatile dogs... We had one of the pups from our breeding run. She got two titles in two weekends. I was impressed!

Whoo hoo!!! Well done you! As I mentioned days ago when I posted the incredible video of that talented yorkie, Misa Minnie, we have 2 yorkies and that little lady makes ours look like 'Two Stupid Dogs', lol! Well, maybe they can't do any tricks, and mainly like to lay around or go out with us in their front packs or in the booyah bike trailer, but the sure are cute little balls of love, and we adore them!
Sounds like you had a great day too. I never heard of this event---where is it?

by justanopinion Tue May 28, 2013 10:14 am

Field Trials are used for dogs who hunt to make sure that injured animals are retrieved etc... there are so many different events CKC, AKC, NOSTRA, NAVHDA, and the list goes on and on... also things like dock jumping etc... its a great way to spend time with your dog outside. but way off topic so can chat in PM land if you would like! Razz

by tesstruhart Tue May 28, 2013 10:46 am

18th LOVE those pictures. It looks like so much fun and a lovely day as well. Happy Anniversary to you.

by jerseyjul1 Tue May 28, 2013 10:50 am

glazier wrote:Okay this Jury Foreman needs to STFU!

Every new thing he says is more illogical than the last!
I'm even thinking he may have thought the Judge declared a Mistrial for THE WHOLE TRIAL and not just the penalty phase...?
He sounds clueless and in a FOG.

And last but not least...HE IS ACTING LIKE HE IS SPEAKING FOR THE WHOLE JURY
Listen pal, just because you put your personal feelings ahead of the facts doesn't give you the right to pontificate for the 8 that didn't!
I don't know if he is milking his '15 Minutes' or angling to be the one who next interviews " that frail, little girl"
(psst- she's 32 dude )

Thank God Thank God Thank God this guy didn't hang them
in the Guilt phase!
And hat's off to the 8 that had the COURAGE and fortitude to Follow the Law.

It's like he closed his mind to the truth & facts all proving she is a liar & was never abused, & only listened to the imagined reality he had formed in his head! It seems like had his mind made up long ago about "the poor abused little thing" & the truth meant nothing to him! He felt sorry for her. What an IDIOT!

by Pianist Tue May 28, 2013 11:07 am

jerseyjul1 wrote:
glazier wrote:Okay this Jury Foreman needs to STFU!

Every new thing he says is more illogical than the last!
I'm even thinking he may have thought the Judge declared a Mistrial for THE WHOLE TRIAL and not just the penalty phase...?
He sounds clueless and in a FOG.

And last but not least...HE IS ACTING LIKE HE IS SPEAKING FOR THE WHOLE JURY
Listen pal, just because you put your personal feelings ahead of the facts doesn't give you the right to pontificate for the 8 that didn't!
I don't know if he is milking his '15 Minutes' or angling to be the one who next interviews " that frail, little girl"
(psst- she's 32 dude )

Thank God Thank God Thank God this guy didn't hang them
in the Guilt phase!
And hat's off to the 8 that had the COURAGE and fortitude to Follow the Law.

It's like he closed his mind to the truth & facts all proving she is a liar & was never abused, & only listened to the imagined reality he had formed in his head! It seems like had his mind made up long ago about "the poor abused little thing" & the truth meant nothing to him! He felt sorry for her. What an IDIOT!

On I so agree. It was amazing that he actually believes that she was a normal girl prior to getting involved with Travis. I don't think he was listening with his brain but another part of his anatomy. The testimony showed she was screwed up before. Even her parents knew that. I heard he was a radio host. His ego is too big for being on any jury. In my opinion as foreman he had the bully pulpit and used it. Sorry for the rant sometimes (not often that is for sure) I do get angry. I hate the fact that he has stirred anger in me because as I have said before it is a waste of my energy.

by 18thcenturylady Tue May 28, 2013 11:37 am

Pianist wrote:
jerseyjul1 wrote:

It's like he closed his mind to the truth & facts all proving she is a liar & was never abused, & only listened to the imagined reality he had formed in his head! It seems like had his mind made up long ago about "the poor abused little thing" & the truth meant nothing to him! He felt sorry for her. What an IDIOT!

On I so agree. It was amazing that he actually believes that she was a normal girl prior to getting involved with Travis. I don't think he was listening with his brain but another part of his anatomy. The testimony showed she was screwed up before. Even her parents knew that. I heard he was a radio host. His ego is too big for being on any jury. In my opinion as foreman he had the bully pulpit and used it. Sorry for the rant sometimes (not often that is for sure) I do get angry. I hate the fact that he has stirred anger in me because as I have said before it is a waste of my energy.

Hi Pianist!
I so agree too. He IS a radio show host---show about hoity toity fancy cars, has his own realty business, and a few other things. Strikes me as someone who is a legend in his own mind, fancies himself a big fish in a small pond, and sounds like a bit of a blowhard. He is SO off base. I wonder if he slept thorough half the trial!
I felt heartsick when I read about him and heard him. What a fool. So sorry for the Alexanders...

by Bmore Tue May 28, 2013 12:00 pm

In the West Memphis 3 trial (the 2nd one with Damien and Jason) this "know it all" type guy thought the people of the town were to stupid to figure it out so he got himself on the jury and became foreman and then brought in the false confession by Jesse that wasn't allowed in to convict Damien and Jason. He had a conversation about this to his lawyer friend that then finally wrote up the paperwork on it and it was going towards getting them a new trial on top of all the other stuff... Some people feel they know what is best for everyone and what to make their decisions for them... If I remember correctly he was well known around town too... Scary....

by Bmore Tue May 28, 2013 12:26 pm

You know... just looking thru old pics of Caylee and CA... I still think CA is worse than JA... Granted JA's murder was violent, cruel and messy. and she lied alot.... But CA lied alot, blamed her own father of sexual abuse and having a part in it. Let the body rot in her car for weeks then threw it in the woods like trash for the animals. Her murder was cruel, potentially violent if Caylee was aware and if she knocked her out by hitting her that would be violent... But to kill your own baby.... At least JA actually admitted doing it but lied about how and TA was able to have a proper funeral... Caylee lost her foot after being scattered around a swamp.... CA is still the most hated murdering woman in America to me...

by Mari 68 Tue May 28, 2013 12:28 pm

Bmore wrote:In the West Memphis 3 trial (the 2nd one with Damien and Jason) this "know it all" type guy thought the people of the town were to stupid to figure it out so he got himself on the jury and became foreman and then brought in the false confession by Jesse that wasn't allowed in to convict Damien and Jason. He had a conversation about this to his lawyer friend that then finally wrote up the paperwork on it and it was going towards getting them a new trial on top of all the other stuff... Some people feel they know what is best for everyone and what to make their decisions for them... If I remember correctly he was well known around town too... Scary....

Did they ever determine who did the killing? Wasn't it a step-father?

by Bmore Tue May 28, 2013 12:30 pm

I don't think they have enough but looking at the 'bricks', they have more on Terri Hobbs the step dad then all three of the teens that were in prison...

by Mari 68 Tue May 28, 2013 12:38 pm

Bmore wrote:You know... just looking thru old pics of Caylee and CA... I still think CA is worse than JA... Granted JA's murder was violent, cruel and messy. and she lied alot.... But CA lied alot, blamed her own father of sexual abuse and having a part in it. Let the body rot in her car for weeks then threw it in the woods like trash for the animals. Her murder was cruel, potentially violent if Caylee was aware and if she knocked her out by hitting her that would be violent... But to kill your own baby.... At least JA actually admitted doing it but lied about how and TA was able to have a proper funeral... Caylee lost her foot after being scattered around a swamp.... CA is still the most hated murdering woman in America to me...

They are the same person. Anti-social, both showed borderline traits, both unstable, both living in fantasy worlds.

Casey didn't love Caylee - her own baby or not. That is why she was able to do what she did.

by Bmore Tue May 28, 2013 12:46 pm

I agree Mari but knowledge should have been able to tell you to step back that it is part of you and leave it alone... walk away... TA was nothing to JA except someone that rejected her so they able to crave the idea of being wanted and loved but just can't return it... Caylee loved CA, she had no reason personally to kill Caylee...

by jerseyjul1 Tue May 28, 2013 12:47 pm

Pianist wrote:
jerseyjul1 wrote:

It's like he closed his mind to the truth & facts all proving she is a liar & was never abused, & only listened to the imagined reality he had formed in his head! It seems like had his mind made up long ago about "the poor abused little thing" & the truth meant nothing to him! He felt sorry for her. What an IDIOT!

On I so agree. It was amazing that he actually believes that she was a normal girl prior to getting involved with Travis. I don't think he was listening with his brain but another part of his anatomy. The testimony showed she was screwed up before. Even her parents knew that. I heard he was a radio host. His ego is too big for being on any jury. In my opinion as foreman he had the bully pulpit and used it. Sorry for the rant sometimes (not often that is for sure) I do get angry. I hate the fact that he has stirred anger in me because as I have said before it is a waste of my energy.

Oh yes he was thinking with that part for sure! Oh it's not a rant at all, it's the truth! I was watching it online at home, & I was saying OUTLOUD to my laptop-" WTF??? Is the ashole for real What a moron & other crap!" LOL!

by Moosiesmama Tue May 28, 2013 1:35 pm

Glad I was away for the weekend and didn't watch any coverage or juror interviews. Feeling let down and disgusted reading the comments here about the foreman's comments. Was he at the same trial I was watching? There are no words to describe my fury at reading that he bought into the poor abused Jodi theory. I hate the thought that the defense team might think that this is a huge win for them, that some idiots believed their BS and the tremendous disappointment the prosecution and the Alexander family is feeling. Has our justice system come to the point where we should really consider having professional juries, who have no ax to grind or agendas to fulfill and are open to all the facts and dedicate themselves to seeking the truth for a fair compensation paid to them? I think I give up, too many idiots live among us.

by Bmore Tue May 28, 2013 1:37 pm

I didn't listen to him but i heard the other 3... I think like her, he thinks he's a legend in his own mind... been sippin' that Kool-aid... Ignorance is bliss they say, I must be pretty high on stupid right now for not watching him... I like it... lol

by tesstruhart Tue May 28, 2013 1:48 pm

I think its called Stuck on Stupid. I'm disappointed that critical thinking wasn't part of the equation.

by Bmore Tue May 28, 2013 2:14 pm

I personally didn't think it needed higher education to figure out, hell not even high school... lol if you add red and blue you get purple... if you have guilty of M1 and you add guilty of cruelty then you get DP... But hey what do I know... lol...

by 18thcenturylady Tue May 28, 2013 3:25 pm

FROM FACEBOOK:

"A statement by Harold Sorenson, Tanisha's husband:

I will make a comment ! These are my words only. This is not from any of the Alexander family or even from my wife Tanisha.
They are all emotionally drained. At the same time they are overwhelmingly grateful - to the court, to Judge Stephens, to the jurors all of them, especially to Juan Martinez, to the Attorney General of Arizona, who they will be meeting with very shortly to prepare themselves emotionally, mentally, for the re-trial of the third phase, the penalty phase. This will be even harder on them then what they've experienced during the past phases of this trial.
If ever they needed the world's love and support of the overwhelming majority that have been there for them, it would be this re trial of the penalty phase.
Please keep the family continually in your hearts, in your prayers as the fight for justice is not just for Travis alone, but for the past and future victims of the world that the DP can be respected and upheld when it truly is warranted.
Let goodness prevail over evil.
We love you, and deeply respect the overwhelming support. God bless true victims and justice for Travis Alexander.
Thank you,
Harold Sorenson."

by tesstruhart Tue May 28, 2013 3:31 pm

18thcenturylady wrote:FROM FACEBOOK:

"A statement by Harold Sorenson, Tanisha's husband:

I will make a comment ! These are my words only. This is not from any of the Alexander family or even from my wife Tanisha.
They are all emotionally drained. At the same time they are overwhelmingly grateful - to the court, to Judge Stephens, to the jurors all of them, especially to Juan Martinez, to the Attorney General of Arizona, who they will be meeting with very shortly to prepare themselves emotionally, mentally, for the re-trial of the third phase, the penalty phase. This will be even harder on them then what they've experienced during the past phases of this trial.
If ever they needed the world's love and support of the overwhelming majority that have been there for them, it would be this re trial of the penalty phase.
Please keep the family continually in your hearts, in your prayers as the fight for justice is not just for Travis alone, but for the past and future victims of the world that the DP can be respected and upheld when it truly is warranted.
Let goodness prevail over evil.
We love you, and deeply respect the overwhelming support. God bless true victims and justice for Travis Alexander.
Thank you,
Harold Sorenson."

Oh thank you so much for posting this 18th. Your heart just breaks for this family.

by Mari 68 Tue May 28, 2013 4:50 pm

Bmore wrote:I agree Mari but knowledge should have been able to tell you to step back that it is part of you and leave it alone... walk away... TA was nothing to JA except someone that rejected her so they able to crave the idea of being wanted and loved but just can't return it... Caylee loved CA, she had no reason personally to kill Caylee...

I didn't want Casey to get the death penalty. I wanted her to get Life w/o Parole and for her PARENTS to get huge contracts with every major network in the nation - to make TONS of money and for Casey to know alllllllll about it.

For the world to wrap their arms around Cindy and shun Casey. THAT was the punishment I wanted her to have.

Cindy and George got 500k from the Dr. Phil show. It was deposited into their Caylee Foundation scam. And George and Cindy can draw a "salary" from that scam. All completely legit.

I can only hope that Casey still hates Cindy and is jealous in every way possible to this day. Because we won't ever get to see any other additional justice in this case.

by Mari 68 Tue May 28, 2013 4:57 pm

All those jurors said they are not against the death penalty - and that if the crime warranted the death penalty they could impose it.

But what none of us know is what exactly would cause a person to think/feel the death penalty is warranted?

The state of Arizona says Jodi's murder fits within their guidelines - but obviously some jurors didn't see it.

Like the foreman said "this wasn't a Charles Manson or Jeffrey Dahmer"

At least for him, he needed more killing and perhaps cannibalism.

by renatae Wed May 29, 2013 2:34 am

glazier wrote:So basically when Convicted Murderer held up that 'survivor'
T-shirt the Jury Formeman was like "right on!"...?

He actually bought into ALV's silly bullchit?
Un-friggin real.

I'm tellin' ya, the 15 hours over 3 days takes on a whole new meaning for me now!
I WAGER WE CAME CLOSER THAN ANYONE EVER THOUGHT OF A HUNG JURY ON THE GUILT PHASE
wow...he actually bought into the abuse angle
GOBSMACKED

I'm really glad she took pictures of her Murder because without them...who knows, eh ?
Honestly we should thank our lucky stars we got pre-med!

Juror number 8 sounded like one of us though.
He said some things that could have come from some of our posts here.

Hi, everyone! Hope you all had a nice weekend and got over some of the stress of all this. I'm feeling less stressed, anyway.

Tonight on Dr. Drew, two jurors, one who became an alternate, and one who was selected. Both were pro death penalty. Apparently for the holdouts, it was her age (one juror all but said "older" jurors did not want death for her.) They seemed to think that the fact she was so young without a record meant something, and, worst for me, they bought the abuse - verbal and emotional, because of the text messages. The out of context text messages, of course.

The alternate, Tara, was the one who asked one of the more heroic juror questions of the trial (at least my hero, anyway!) "why should we believe you are telling the truth now?" She also asked LaViolette if PTSD had anything to do with the murder, but the question was never asked. Tara also mentioned Jodi's staredowns. She would catch Jodi staring at her and would stare back - and said this happened quite a few times. Tara said she felt like Jodi wanted to get her kicked off the jury - just like so many of the observers.

They said the foreman did not push or try to influence them.

Of course, they had nearly no information about stalking.

I just heard one of Jodi's interview statements - another gag-inducer. "Do you think the death penalty would be justice?" She, arrogantly said she did not think it was justice -"it would be revenge."

She should know from revenge. tongue

by renatae Wed May 29, 2013 2:36 am

We all need a little break from this stuff, but I will be back hunting you all down just to say hi. I love the conversating and contemperaneous thoughts that fall out of heads.

LOL, Tess said contemperaneous! ;)

by renatae Wed May 29, 2013 4:27 am

glazier wrote:Okay this Jury Foreman needs to STFU!

Every new thing he says is more illogical than the last!
I'm even thinking he may have thought the Judge declared a Mistrial for THE WHOLE TRIAL and not just the penalty phase...?
He sounds clueless and in a FOG.

And last but not least...HE IS ACTING LIKE HE IS SPEAKING FOR THE WHOLE JURY
Listen pal, just because you put your personal feelings ahead of the facts doesn't give you the right to pontificate for the 8 that didn't!
I don't know if he is milking his '15 Minutes' or angling to be the one who next interviews " that frail, little girl"
(psst- she's 32 dude )

Thank God Thank God Thank God this guy didn't hang them
in the Guilt phase!
And hat's off to the 8 that had the COURAGE and fortitude to Follow the Law.

This, this, this, and this!

I don't know what sort of people think a 27 year old is a child, and I don't know what sort of people think just because they are not allowed to hear of her past that makes her some sort of innocent. Why did they assume she had no criminal past? There are all sorts of cases out there wherein criminal pasts are completely hidden from juries? (Another one of my pet peeves.)

They did not get to hear about her stalking and they got a lying piece of crap via LaViollette about what the Hughes' thought of Travis and of Jodi. They were at a disadvantage, but how on earth anyone sees her as a "frail little girl" is beyond me. Is that what he thought when she was staring down his fellow jurors and engaging in all that other disgusting behavior in the courtroom? Ugh. I guess he is proof of the theory that men don't want to give women the death penalty and that attractive people get a break. He sounds like a complete moron.

Between what rock and hard place did he think he was in? It sound like he wanted to give her a chance at parole!

by carlakay Wed May 29, 2013 7:15 am

just gonna say this Renatae cuz it is what I felt bout flippin foreman from second his yap started flapping..he wanted to diddle the bitch..he sat up there and got turned on when those naked pics of her was plastered all over them big screens while the rest of us were all saying WTF IS THAT? and he flat out could not give her the DP because of it..
I am still angry and it just aint at the 4 who couldnt vote death..no matter what they say..how they reason it..fact is they failed to complete their job and passed the buck to somebody else....pathetic.

by 18thcenturylady Wed May 29, 2013 8:23 am

Hi everyone~ I finally listened to the two women jurors in the Arias case---one alternate and one who voted for the death penalty---Sure wish the alternate had been in on the penalty deliberations.
She said death, no question.
It was very informative and disturbing because according to the woman who was on the jury, she felt that the MAIN reason the 4 voted against death was because of the mitigator that THEY felt Travis had abused Jodi. In police interrogations and in her journal, as I mentioned before, Jodi had nothing but glowing praise for Travis. In one police interview she said how wonderful he was and that he NEVER hurt her or was mean to her.
I guess some jurors chose to believe ALV instead of those things.
Here is the problem: I think that in the re-do of the penalty phase this is again going to be a problem UNLESS there is SOME WAY for Juan to address the issue and make it clear that Travis never was verbally or physically abusive with Jodi or anyone else, and that this was something Jodi made up later, and that the rare angry email from Travis was taken out of context by these jurors, who for some reason didn't want to face the fact that Jodi had stalked and abused Travis and he got sick of it. I could certainly see that he was more hurt and betrayed than angry, but I guess some of those ignoramuses could not.

I also think it was a huge mistake not to call the Hughes in rebuttal. I don't know if it was not allowed, but the defense was allowed to mention a snippet of Skye Hughes' accusatory email to Travis, and left it hanging in the air with no explanation, hinting to the jury that he WAS an abuser. It seems to me that Juan would have the right to counter what THEY did, and have Skye Hughes on the stand to explain the context of her email, and also her relationship with Travis. They knew him for years and knew he was NOT abusive in any way.

If I were Juan listening to these jurors, (and he must be getting the feedback), I would feel it is very necessary to address certain issues in greater detail in the re-do of the penalty phase. If he is unable or not allowed to do that, I frankly fear another hung jury.

1. I think he needs to speak more about Jodi's age and reiterate that she was near 30, and not a kid, and NOT a 'fragile little girl'.

2. I think he really needs to TRY to bring in Jodi's amoral background, years of lying and manipulative behavior, or whatever he possibly can to show that she was NOT this sweet innocent young thing UNTIL she met Travis!

3. I feel he really MUST find some way to show that many things were taken out of context and that Travis was not an abuser. This needs to be conveyed in unequivocal terms.

4. A few jurors still didn't 'get' WHY Jodi did what she did. Juan needs to stress more that Jodi was rejected by Travis BECAUSE she was an abusive, lying, stalker, and that when he rejected her she was filled with rage. She was obsessed and jealous.

This is what the big problem is when our system lets the defense bring in almost everything they want to while at the same time tying the hands of the prosecution. Do you think she should not get the death penalty because the jurors weren't allowed to see and know about some things she has done and just how evil she it? We say we want to protect society from predators like her. IS THIS HOW WE DO IT? The reasons given by this jury are NOT APPLICABLE TO JODI, but they have been lead down the garden path, and don't KNOW THE REALITY. Is this right? Does this bother anyone else as much as it bothers me?

If these issues CANNOT OR ARE NOT addressed in the future penalty phase, I don't think that we or the Alexanders will have the outcome they desire.

All this being said, even if these things are done, IMO, the foreman of the jury was a complete idiot. I agree with Carla and so many of you and I think that he would have voted the way he did no matter what. He had blinders on, and was willfully prejudiced. His reasons that he spouted on national TV were ignorant and cringeworthy. The dude ought to be ashamed of himself. IF they got one more juror like that, I think it would be another hung jury as well.
I would like some TV personality to ask these jurors if they have had a chance to see a lot of the evidence against Jodi that did NOT come in---things like the police interrogations, interviews with friend's of Travis' who knew Jodi, evidence of her past lying and instability, those horrible interviews done just after conviction, etc., and if they had, what they thought about not having that information about her while deliberating.

by Ann - Tx Wed May 29, 2013 8:27 am

Off-topic

If you have not written a letter opposing parole for Abigail Young, please do so immediately.

Today is 5/29/13; Current deadline for letters: 5/30/13

Do you think serving less than 3 years of a 20 year sentence is justice for Abigail Young's daughter, barely 4-year-old Emma Thompson, who was brutally raped and beaten to death by Abigail Young's boyfriend, Lucas Coe?

Please be a voice for Emma Thompson and see details at this Link regarding writing a letter opposing parole for Abigail Young. You do not have to be a U. S. citizen or resident of Texas to oppose parole for Abigail Young.

http://www.realitychatter.com/t4317-emma-thompson-deceased-6-27-09-thread-2#217791
RC - Emma Thompson thread - Comment regarding writing a letter (details) opposing parole for Abigail Young

Thank you, in advance, for being a voice for precious Emma Thompson!

by tesstruhart Wed May 29, 2013 11:52 am

Ann - Tx wrote:
Off-topic

If you have not written a letter opposing parole for Abigail Young, please do so immediately.

Today is 5/29/13; Current deadline for letters: 5/30/13

Do you think serving less than 3 years of a 20 year sentence is justice for Abigail Young's daughter, barely 4-year-old Emma Thompson, who was brutally raped and beaten to death by Abigail Young's boyfriend, Lucas Coe?

Please be a voice for Emma Thompson and see details at this Link regarding writing a letter opposing parole for Abigail Young. You do not have to be a U. S. citizen or resident of Texas to oppose parole for Abigail Young.

http://www.realitychatter.com/t4317-emma-thompson-deceased-6-27-09-thread-2#217791
RC - Emma Thompson thread - Comment regarding writing a letter (details) opposing parole for Abigail Young

Thank you, in advance, for being a voice for precious Emma Thompson!

I wrote mine Ann. This is another travesty if she gets out.

by justanopinion Wed May 29, 2013 12:19 pm

@Ann - Tx I copied and posted on my personal facebook as well... hopefully we can affect the outcome and she rots there...
Justice for Emma Thompson!!

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