Re: Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #19

by 18thcenturylady Tue May 07, 2013 2:11 pm

Bmore wrote:from what I understood JA stays at the courthouse all day waiting...

JA is in a holding cell in the courthouse all day for as long as the jury deliberates.

by keikikiki Tue May 07, 2013 2:13 pm

Bmore wrote:I love this!!! You have to look at this pic...

https://twitter.com/cshughes/status/331556165433577472/photo/1

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by Freckles Tue May 07, 2013 2:14 pm

Bmore wrote:from what I understood JA stays at the courthouse all day waiting...

Really! Wow. I thot she would be returned to the jail....
Will she appear for verdict in prison garb? I DO hope so...

by Bmore Tue May 07, 2013 2:16 pm

she might be in her stripes then when needed she'l put on her librian clothes... They said before 1 bus to and from the jail and everyone goes at the same time regardless of the time of your hearing... You just wait in a cell...

by Moosiesmama Tue May 07, 2013 2:17 pm

Bmore wrote:it's like a road trip Moosie... even on the exact same route it takes longer to get there then to get home... it has to be an atmospheric anomaly... lol just making you think that...

Thanks, for the reality check, Bmore, and yes, I believe there really is some type of time warp continuium that shortens trips home. Very Happy

by Mari 68 Tue May 07, 2013 2:19 pm

Freckles wrote:
Bmore wrote:from what I understood JA stays at the courthouse all day waiting...
Really! Wow. I thot she would be returned to the jail....
Will she appear for verdict in prison garb? I DO hope so...

For the verdict she should be in street clothes. The following trials - whether there is cruelty - and the penatly phase - I think she would then be in prison garb. Cuz she's already convicted so no need for My Twinn Stabby accessories.

by Bmore Tue May 07, 2013 2:20 pm

i didn't know penis was a bad word.. HLN beeps it out... lol

by Mari 68 Tue May 07, 2013 2:24 pm

Bmore wrote:i didn't know penis was a bad word.. HLN beeps it out... lol

I like penis

by Bmore Tue May 07, 2013 2:25 pm

well now Mari... lol girl getting frisky here.. lol

by Bmore Tue May 07, 2013 2:28 pm

this is pretty neat... a flowchart for only coming up with M1... they should give the jury a copy of this, so much easier...

https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img689/3503/juanmartinezjodiariasm1.gif

by Mari 68 Tue May 07, 2013 2:30 pm

Bmore wrote:well now Mari... lol girl getting frisky here.. lol

who bleeps out penis???

they SCREAM the word pedophilia on that channel!

by Bmore Tue May 07, 2013 2:31 pm

and NG with her BLOWJOBS!!!! lol

by justanopinion Tue May 07, 2013 2:34 pm

bummer so no verdict yet... been gone all day!!

by Bmore Tue May 07, 2013 2:34 pm

nope... nothing yet...

by tesstruhart Tue May 07, 2013 2:35 pm

Chris williams just tweeted that according to his sources, there is no verdict yet

by keikikiki Tue May 07, 2013 2:38 pm

FireandBlood wrote:Freckles: That's another valid point about the 'division', thanks. I dislike when the media warps an observation to create drama, for lack of a better word. Maybe I need Jodi's thesaurus? Heh.

General: I already gave an epic score for JM. I'd also like to submit this song for Travis, his family and his friends: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHsc3XmALC0 (same artist who composed the epic score for JM - what a difference, eh?)

I'd like to submit this one for the appropriate title (End Game): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjE_MMpyrjs in hope that the jury will do their duty, remember the lies, remember the smirks, remember the gruesome pictures...

I use music to relate how I feel - I'm weird like that. I accept that and I apologize if it gets in the way >>

Wow. Thank you Fire&Blood! The rememberance song/general especially- just wow. Brilliant. Within the first few bars (?sorry, not a musician here...) emotion just rises to the surface. Sooooo beautiful. How lovely. Wish that was playing in the background as all wait for a verdict. Jury included. Brings peace. Facilitates connection...to each other, to the fragility of life, to the beauty that exists at the core. Wowie. Razz

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by tesstruhart Tue May 07, 2013 2:38 pm

#JodiArias Looks like they're roping off the entrance for the family? Or just for jury lunch?
— KINSEY SCHOFIELD (@kinseyschofield) May 7, 2013

by Freckles Tue May 07, 2013 2:39 pm

Bmore wrote:this is pretty neat... a flowchart for only coming up with M1... they should give the jury a copy of this, so much easier...

https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img689/3503/juanmartinezjodiariasm1.gif

This is WAY too cool! Laughing

by tesstruhart Tue May 07, 2013 2:40 pm

Free pizza out side the court house. Police have out up police tape around the entrance. I guess security is a bit tighter. #JodiArias
— Wild About Trial (@WildAboutTrial) May 7, 2013

by Freckles Tue May 07, 2013 2:42 pm

tesstruhart wrote:
Free pizza out side the court house. Police have out up police tape around the entrance. I guess security is a bit tighter. #JodiArias
— Wild About Trial (@WildAboutTrial) May 7, 2013

What about free Starbucks? Geesh. After all the plugs JA gave to them?
What's a person gotta do any more???

by jerseyjul1 Tue May 07, 2013 2:44 pm

Bmore wrote:I love this!!! You have to look at this pic...

https://twitter.com/cshughes/status/331556165433577472/photo/1

Awesome!

by tesstruhart Tue May 07, 2013 2:45 pm

Still nothing from the jury. I'm sitting in the hall outside the courtroom. IF jurors take a lunch break at noon... fb.me/30o1LZDNH
— Beth Karas (@BethKaras) May 7, 2013

by Trueblue Tue May 07, 2013 3:03 pm

Hi everyone, I could not sleep so I am sitting here with my puppy waiting for the verdict in the middle of the night.
I hope something happens today!! Getting very nervous I might need a valium before this is over. lol Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #19 - Page 16 355665

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #19 - Page 16 355665

by Mari 68 Tue May 07, 2013 3:05 pm

Trueblue wrote:Hi everyone, I could not sleep so I am sitting here with my puppy waiting for the verdict in the middle of the night.
I hope something happens today!! Getting very nervous I might need a valium before this is over. lol

Yeah, I'm gonna pass out some Xanax if things get any worse.

This is effing torture.

by justanopinion Tue May 07, 2013 3:07 pm

Freckles wrote:
Bmore wrote:this is pretty neat... a flowchart for only coming up with M1... they should give the jury a copy of this, so much easier...

https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img689/3503/juanmartinezjodiariasm1.gif
This is WAY too cool!

great flowchart - all roads lead to M1 Laughing

by justanopinion Tue May 07, 2013 3:08 pm

tesstruhart wrote:
Still nothing from the jury. I'm sitting in the hall outside the courtroom. IF jurors take a lunch break at noon... fb.me/30o1LZDNH
— Beth Karas (@BethKaras) May 7, 2013

Beth needs to knock on the door and tell them just to vote M1 and get it done ... we are waiting!! roflao

by Weeziethm Tue May 07, 2013 3:11 pm

Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 1m
No jurors have left the jury room yet for lunch. #jodiarias
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by justanopinion Tue May 07, 2013 3:13 pm

Weeziethm wrote:Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 1m
No jurors have left the jury room yet for lunch. #jodiarias
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if they started at 10 then most likely would not take lunch until 1... JMO
and .... I don't want to get my hopes up that it is looking good!

by gsweater Tue May 07, 2013 3:22 pm

VERDICT IS IN!!!

Unanimous decision: Leg of lamb with garlic and rosemary glaze we're having for lunch is absolutely delicious. Wonder how JA's baloney and cheez whiz sandwich tastes. Who had a heart attack when they saw the verdict bit? LOL

by Weeziethm Tue May 07, 2013 3:25 pm

I did I did lol

by Weeziethm Tue May 07, 2013 3:27 pm

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 3m
Jurors are at lunch. So am I. Will be back there soon. #JodiArias

by carlakay Tue May 07, 2013 3:28 pm

gsweater wrote:VERDICT IS IN!!!

Unanimous decision: Leg of lamb with garlic and rosemary glaze we're having for lunch is absolutely delicious. Wonder how JA's baloney and cheez whiz sandwich tastes. Who had a heart attack when they saw the verdict bit? LOL

me

and I despise lamb Cell

by 18thcenturylady Tue May 07, 2013 3:28 pm

I think if this had been a man that committed this crime exactly as it went down, the jury would have had a verdict of M1 by now.
I am sorry, but that's my honest opinion.
TV people keep saying Nurmi poked holes in states case with his 'why didn't she just shoot him when she arrived, or when he was sleeping?', etc.
Can it really be possible that no jurors on this case can get past that, or use their imaginations? Juan said it briefly---she wanted him. Is it so hard to believe that she wanted to get him into bed and possibly had secret hopes that she could defuse whatever she had done to make him tell her she was the worst thing that ever happened to him? Is it so hard to believe that somewhere inside she deluded herself that there was a possibility that Travis would tell her he loved her and whisk her off to a Cancun sunset? I don't think the fact that she chose her time for whatever reason negates the painstaking premeditation!
She still killed him THREE TIMES!
They are also saying why didn't she just shoot him and be done with it. Jodi brought the knife with her, just as she brought the gun. Sure, the noise of a gun might be a consideration, but Travis' house was all closed up and the central air on.
I think Jodi wanted to inflict PAIN AND TERROR. I think she wanted to choose her time and wanted Travis to see her face when she stabbed him. I am sure she was screaming at him as well, venting a lot of rage. This was all part of the plan.
Can't the jury see that this was obsession and jealousy motivated, and understand that she WANTED TO HURT HIM?
I can't think of one thing the defense said in their closing to justify any of the other verdict choices, and I can't understand a jury 'hang up', if there is one.

by 18thcenturylady Tue May 07, 2013 3:30 pm

gsweater wrote:VERDICT IS IN!!!

Unanimous decision: Leg of lamb with garlic and rosemary glaze we're having for lunch is absolutely delicious. Wonder how JA's baloney and cheez whiz sandwich tastes. Who had a heart attack when they saw the verdict bit? LOL

I did. Jumped out of my chair to run to the TV, and then saw the lambie thing, lol~ Shame on you!

by 18thcenturylady Tue May 07, 2013 3:32 pm

Well, going to go take a shower since nothing will be happening in the next hour.

by Trueblue Tue May 07, 2013 3:35 pm

They should give them each a flowchart with their lunch!

by Trueblue Tue May 07, 2013 3:40 pm

totally agree 18th it seems obvious to us why can't the jury see it too, or are they being too cautious!

by Freckles Tue May 07, 2013 3:41 pm

gsweater wrote:VERDICT IS IN!!!

Unanimous decision: Leg of lamb with garlic and rosemary glaze we're having for lunch is absolutely delicious. Wonder how JA's baloney and cheez whiz sandwich tastes. Who had a heart attack when they saw the verdict bit? LOL

Censored my mouth! I was ALL excited then realized you were joking and you just got cussed out!!! Shocked

by Weeziethm Tue May 07, 2013 3:42 pm

Elizabeth Erwin ‏@elizabetherwin 2m
Looks like the jurors are working thru lunch today, their food was just brought in. #JodiArias

by tesstruhart Tue May 07, 2013 3:43 pm

I have to admit the Verdict post stopped my heart, called 911, they raced to my house, by the time they got here I was settled down and told them false alarm, they called police and now I am arrested, sitting in the holding cell, nice slightly used stainless steel toilet/sink with some other lovely ladies who have fishnet stockings on and smell like yesterday's fishguts. So, yeah, you got me.

by Pianist Tue May 07, 2013 3:47 pm

Trueblue wrote:totally agree 18th it seems obvious to us why can't the jury see it too, or are they being too cautious!

We have been discussing this for months. They are just discussing and need time. I am trying to stay positive. The one good thing is that after JA put them through torture by trial; they are putting her through torture by "waiting". I hope this terrible on her.

by 18thcenturylady Tue May 07, 2013 3:54 pm

'Torture by waiting' also deeply affects the Alexander family, and would be unconscionable in my opinion. I confess that at this point I am getting rather testy with these jurors. I don't think this case has that much stuff that is complicated or ambiguous, and warrants too much more deliberation!

Someone help me if you can. I may be dreaming, but I seem to recall that in the Scott Peterson case there was one male juror who dug in his heels and would not agree with all the rest of the jurors. I believe he refused to deliberate and honestly argue the points, and I think he was removed from the jury during the deliberation and an alternate brought in. Just wondering if someone recalls anything like this?

by Weeziethm Tue May 07, 2013 3:55 pm

They are, by what they showed us with their questions, is a detail jury. I think they are methodically going through everything, discounting it or keeping it, and organizing things to where it is crystal clear to them - as triers of fact - what the just verdict is.

Remember that they don't have the luxury of ALL that we know, ALL that we've discussed and either tossed out or massaged to understand it better. We've been doing that for 4 months, they've been deliberating for just 10 hours. IMO, it doesn't mean they aren't for M1. It simply means they are taking their time and doing a thorough job.

But I'm still waiting first in line for Mari's xanax if this goes beyond today... roflao

by Mari 68 Tue May 07, 2013 3:56 pm

18thcenturylady wrote:'Torture by waiting' also deeply affects the Alexander family, and would be unconscionable in my opinion. I confess that at this point I am getting rather testy with these jurors. I don't think this case has that much stuff that is complicated or ambiguous, and warrants too much more deliberation!

Someone help me if you can. I may be dreaming, but I seem to recall that in the Scott Peterson case there was one male juror who dug in his heels and would not agree with all the rest of the jurors. I believe he refused to deliberate and honestly argue the points, and I think he was removed from the jury during the deliberation and an alternate brought in. Just wondering if someone recalls anything like this?

Yes. The rogue jurors were dismissed. You can't be OBVIOUSLY rogue - or you get booted. You have to "deliberate". You have to argue.

working through lunch? sounds hopeful

sigh

by Pianist Tue May 07, 2013 4:03 pm

18thcenturylady wrote:'Torture by waiting' also deeply affects the Alexander family, and would be unconscionable in my opinion. I confess that at this point I am getting rather testy with these jurors. I don't think this case has that much stuff that is complicated or ambiguous, and warrants too much more deliberation!

Someone help me if you can. I may be dreaming, but I seem to recall that in the Scott Peterson case there was one male juror who dug in his heels and would not agree with all the rest of the jurors. I believe he refused to deliberate and honestly argue the points, and I think he was removed from the jury during the deliberation and an alternate brought in. Just wondering if someone recalls anything like this?

IIRC you are correct about the Peterson trial.

You are right about the Alexander family but in trying to keep positive it was the only thing I could think of... Torture Jodi! I hope the Alexander family can remain positive through this utter HELL.

by 18thcenturylady Tue May 07, 2013 4:04 pm

Mari 68 wrote:
18thcenturylady wrote:'Torture by waiting' also deeply affects the Alexander family, and would be unconscionable in my opinion. I confess that at this point I am getting rather testy with these jurors. I don't think this case has that much stuff that is complicated or ambiguous, and warrants too much more deliberation!

Someone help me if you can. I may be dreaming, but I seem to recall that in the Scott Peterson case there was one male juror who dug in his heels and would not agree with all the rest of the jurors. I believe he refused to deliberate and honestly argue the points, and I think he was removed from the jury during the deliberation and an alternate brought in. Just wondering if someone recalls anything like this?

Yes. The rogue jurors were dismissed. You can't be OBVIOUSLY rogue - or you get booted. You have to "deliberate". You have to argue.

working through lunch? sounds hopeful

sigh

Yes, Mari, I too thought it looked like a good sign that they were working through lunch.

by Freckles Tue May 07, 2013 4:06 pm

tesstruhart wrote:I have to admit the Verdict post stopped my heart, called 911, they raced to my house, by the time they got here I was settled down and told them false alarm, they called police and now I am arrested, sitting in the holding cell, nice slightly used stainless steel toilet/sink with some other lovely ladies who have fishnet stockings on and smell like yesterday's fishguts. So, yeah, you got me.

JA keeping you company? Laughing

by 18thcenturylady Tue May 07, 2013 4:07 pm

The one thing I keep trying to hold onto is that I can't believe that a majority of the jurors would not see that this is clearly premeditated murder, (murder one). IF there is one or a couple that are dragging their feet, there is at least a chance that they can be persuaded to see the light.
IF there was a juror digging in their heels and making things impossible, I would think we would have heard about it by now, or yelling would be coming from the jury room.

by Mari 68 Tue May 07, 2013 4:12 pm

18thcenturylady wrote:The one thing I keep trying to hold onto is that I can't believe that a majority of the jurors would not see that this is clearly premeditated murder, (murder one). IF there is one or a couple that are dragging their feet, there is at least a chance that they can be persuaded to see the light.
IF there was a juror digging in their heels and making things impossible, I would think we would have heard about it by now, or yelling would be coming from the jury room.

Listen, we're kinda smart when it comes to this stuff. Not all jurors really understand anything at all about law and how to apply it. Some of those instructions were like run-on sentences.

They might be "learning" right now. Some of them could actually believe Travis attacked her - just that alone could cause them to have to "educate" themselves on the law. No matter if Travis attacked her - there is still pre-med in this crime.

Could just be some of them are being educated right now. Long process if this is your first time really understanding murder charges and how you come to determine what they are.

Plus, Arizona is different than here in California - so I kinda got an education with this case, too.

by tesstruhart Tue May 07, 2013 4:13 pm

18thcenturylady wrote:The one thing I keep trying to hold onto is that I can't believe that a majority of the jurors would not see that this is clearly premeditated murder, (murder one). IF there is one or a couple that are dragging their feet, there is at least a chance that they can be persuaded to see the light.
IF there was a juror digging in their heels and making things impossible, I would think we would have heard about it by now, or yelling would be coming from the jury room.

18, one thing to think about, its so different when we sit here and things are so obvious to us and we say M1 DP. No question. However, on the flip side, these people have another person's life in their hands. It is not so easy to be glib then. It is a huge responsibility and burden. They want to go thru things to make sure their decision is the right one. I don't begrudge them this. I was called for a murder trial once and did go thru voir dire but did not make the jury. The judge explained to us before the attornies started questioning us that this was a death penalty case. we would have to declare our thoughts on the DP etc. The feeling was one of enormous weight. So, when they have the verdict it will be so that they can live with themselves after this is all over.

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