Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #23

my guess it's the split of the first degree murder decision: with 7 pre-med/felony vs 5 just the pre-med...if that's the case...pffftt we don't have enough alternates for that coverage....

truly it has only been 2 hours of deliberating. And they came to that decision ALREADY??? Hope they will re-group, re-read the instructions, re-read mitigators, look at the autopsy photos and decide.

Weeziethm wrote:I hope there is a strong foreperson. Go over the law. Go over the instructions. Take it one by one. Remind them of their oath.

Amen.

Mari 68 wrote:There was an interview Tanisha and Steven did with Nancy Grace a few years ago.

Tanisha said, and I'm paraphrasing, "we want her to get death, we know she probably won't get it, but we don't want her to have friends and be around people in prison and have any happiness"

Travis' family knew/knows getting this verdict was a difficult one.

I can see how they are now EXPECTING it - just like the rest of us - since all of Jodi's nastiness is out and examined.

There's a reason Tanisha said "probably won't get it"

Because its just the way it is - with death penalties and women getting them.

Yes, but if not on death row, Jodi can have many more privileges and perks in prison. She can even get a college degree---paid for by taxpayers. She can also have more chance for access to media and for ways to torment the Alexander family.
A damn shame...

Weeziethm wrote:truly it has only been 2 hours of deliberating. And they came to that decision ALREADY??? Hope they will re-group, re-read the instructions, re-read mitigators, look at the autopsy photos and decide.

AMEN~

I personally think the sticking point is that they can't be assured it is LWOP. If they say life then she could get parole. The people for DP could be swayed to LWOP but not to life with parole. I think that because upon re-reading all of our posts here (or remembering them) we have talked in the same way.

Hey guys & gals: Have been trying to soothe my frazzled nerves by reading Eggtree again...Again, thanks to y'all for turning me onto this blog- it is the best imo!

Hopefully I did this correctly, but just wanted to share a few of the comments there...

--Posted by Ria on May 22, 2013 at 5:30 am
Not to forget Carole, that the Long Beach Women’s Shelter, that she was claiming the “donated” funds were going to and the Demon is (NOT) Innocent site had splashed all over their page, has publicly said on their FB page they have no affiliation with her whatsoever, had no idea about the t-shirts and their name being used, and asked the Demon site to remove their name.

--Posted by Mollyc on May 22, 2013 at 10:30 am
None of it is going to the shelter. shelter took their name off the website . Jodi said money is going to nonprofits that help DV victims which means money going to her of some
Organization she’s cooked up????

--Posted by pfenix on May 22, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Her family and friends.

Pianist wrote:We are assuming that it is leaning towards DP. It could be the hold out is for the DP and the rest of them are for life. We don't know.

So true.

Well, I might have been the one to ginx this.

I'm sorry.

I thought, and said, and expected, they would come back with death.

I didn't think so for many months - only recently became convinced.

I agree with those here that say this jury needs to suck it up and deliberate several more days if necessary. This is too early to throw in the towel. As someone said, the foreman needs to get them to put all emotion aside and go through these instructions ONE BY ONE with each person giving their reasons for their feelings and that way they can be addressed and argued or clarified for each juror.
If I were the judge, I would not let them give it up until next week. Even if they deliberate tomorrow, that is only TWO DAYS!

Well maybe their just playing HEAD GAMES with JODI ..like she did with them....but the by-product of that is hurting the Alexander family.....

vegret wrote:

Pianist wrote:We are assuming that it is leaning towards DP. It could be the hold out is for the DP and the rest of them are for life. We don't know.

So true.

...hmmm, and that scenario may be "easier" to flip and resolve than the other way around.

I see I made a good choice by not sitting on this all day but attending to other things. Whew. What a mess it is now. Hopefully, the judge has clarified the charges and the jury will come to a swift decision.

Weeziethm wrote:

vegret wrote:

So true.

...hmmm, and that scenario may be "easier" to flip and resolve than the other way around.

I still think that the majority are leaning toward the death penalty. If you listened to Juan and the instructions yesterday, the actions of murdering Hodi are far more of an "aggravator" than there were any mitigators. Sounds much more likely that there are a few hold outs against death.

18thcenturylady wrote:I agree with those here that say this jury needs to suck it up and deliberate several more days if necessary. This is too early to throw in the towel. As someone said, the foreman needs to get them to put all emotion aside and go through these instructions ONE BY ONE with each person giving their reasons for their feelings and that way they can be addressed and argued or clarified for each juror.
If I were the judge, I would not let them give it up until next week. Even if they deliberate tomorrow, that is only TWO DAYS!

NO DOUBT! Before granting a flippin mistrial and costing the taxpayers more money and the Alexander family further suffering JSS should tell em they can sit in there another 5 months discussing the NONEXISTING mitigating factors!

I linked Eggtree's latest entry last night, upthread...but here's an edited version of some of the best (imoo) comments. Thought y'all could use somethin' to pass the time waitin'...

-Posted by Bea Haive on May 21, 2013 at 11:32 pm
How ’bout we start by recycling her?

--Posted by Amy McCortney on May 22, 2013 at 12:22 am
Hey, that’s a great idea, Behave! Maybe she could donate her oh-so-special brain to, like, science and stuff.

--Posted by Sully on May 22, 2013 at 5:17 am
Actually, I do hope when she is dead that someone does study her brain to see what malfunctioned or what bad DNA was in there to create such a…I’m not really sure what to call her.

--Posted by jenniferlyn on May 22, 2013 at 5:18 am
How about donating it to the handsome local Medical Examiner?
Dr. Horn….paging Dr. Horn………………….

--Posted by pfenix on May 22, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Dr. Makemeso Horny

--Posted by Valerie on May 22, 2013 at 7:20 am
Hmmm…makes me think about recent UCSF research showing that bacteria in the gut can cause diseases and even mental disorders and that transplanting healthy stools can possibly cure these ailments. So maybe Stabby can be rehabilitated if she eats sh*t in prison.

carlakay wrote:

18thcenturylady wrote:I agree with those here that say this jury needs to suck it up and deliberate several more days if necessary. This is too early to throw in the towel. As someone said, the foreman needs to get them to put all emotion aside and go through these instructions ONE BY ONE with each person giving their reasons for their feelings and that way they can be addressed and argued or clarified for each juror.
If I were the judge, I would not let them give it up until next week. Even if they deliberate tomorrow, that is only TWO DAYS!

NO DOUBT! Before granting a flippin mistrial and costing the taxpayers more money and the Alexander family further suffering JSS should tell em they can sit in there another 5 months discussing the NONEXISTING mitigating factors!

ARIAS TRIAL TWEETS

michaelbkiefer Jodi Arias jury can't decide on death penalty azc.cc/A1hg1 3 minutes ago

michaelbkiefer It is surprising that the jury reached impasse so quickly. 54 minutes ago

elizabetherwin #JodiArias jurors are working through lunch today.about 1 hour ago

VinniePolitan Don't go anywhere... #JodiArias jury sent back in... can they reach a unanimous verdict.. are they deadlocked...about 1 hour ago

elizabetherwin Thx! “@fish4671: @elizabetherwin Sorry i was watching on TV and was not aware of what was happening. You are more informative than the TV”
about 1 hour ago

martinezliss Buzz outside courthouse as word of jury not being able to reach a decision reaches news crews...yet another turn in #JodiArias trial

Bo wrote:my guess it's the split of the first degree murder decision: with 7 pre-med/felony vs 5 just the pre-med...if that's the case...pffftt we don't have enough alternates for that coverage....

I bet that's it. All I can say is wow.

This surprises me re the jury.
At this phase, only a PREPONDERANCE is required.

renatae wrote:

Weeziethm wrote:I hope there is a strong foreperson. Go over the law. Go over the instructions. Take it one by one. Remind them of their oath.

Amen.

Yes...and go over the pictures again and again, what else do they need! They have gotten this far, please finish it! I am truly disappointed because after only two hours they basically say they are a hung jury??? They established it was murder one, extremely cruel, they took an oath saying they could impose the DP. After two hours they shouldn't have come out and said that they can't reach a unanimous decision. Five months in trial, and two hours to say they can't agree, I don't understand this at all!

18thcenturylady wrote:

renatae wrote:

For sure - but I am not surprised if someone was wavering with some sympathy for her, went along with the majority in believing she was guilty, probably agrees with extreme cruelty but still is having a problem with DP. I think the problem is between DP and LWOP - I doubt there is anything else on the table.

Yes, but the jury instructions clearly state that sympathy for Jodi is NOT to be considered or allowed to be a factor in their decision! Someone or few are NOT following the rules given them if this is the case!

I understand and I agree. "Sympathy" is not really what I intended as such. I just meant there may be one or two who think her mental instability is a mitigation of sorts. Not taking sides on that - it's just that I can see how some might think that way, and I've had enough situations in my life where I have thought I would do a certain thing in a situation, but when confronted with it in real life, felt differently. I think sentencing someone to DP is a heavy burden, and I'm not against the DP.

Regarding your other question, I don't have a clue, but I would guess they can't, because I think one of the TH's would have brought it up. Too bad, because I like the idea.

This Monster is going to get Life and Yesterday here in Pittsburgh some lunatic gang-banger fired into a picnic and KILLED A BABY! An innocent baby, and every talking head in World wants skank to go on and on.
I'm tellin' ya...upside-down-World.

Clearly someone on the Jury is going on emotion and not the Rule of Law because it is clear as day.
I told myself if they hadn't reached a Verdict by the time I got home from work(1/2 hr ago) they would be HUNG.
Can't say I'm surprised to be honest, but it's a friggin' joke,imo.

If I had as much faith in the Judge to do the right thing, it wouldn't bother me as much...
but I don't. Worst part is in Hodi's mind she's WINNING

This is a nightmare! I really had convinced myself that this was a decision that a child could make... the mitigating factors are non-existent... unless someone is taking to heart the comment about assisted suicide... two wrongs don't make a right etc... Please let them come to a good decision!

jmo

carlakay wrote:

Bmore wrote:yeah but where on God's Green Earth where they possibly get these people? they'll never find 12 that don't hate her...

I will volunteer..I dont hate her and know NOTHING of this case..

He, he, me, too! And I swear, it's not my fault that her friend was intimidated; I was only joking.

LOL, jkjkjkjkjkjkjkjk

renatae wrote:

18thcenturylady wrote:

Yes, but the jury instructions clearly state that sympathy for Jodi is NOT to be considered or allowed to be a factor in their decision! Someone or few are NOT following the rules given them if this is the case!

I understand and I agree. "Sympathy" is not really what I intended as such. I just meant there may be one or two who think her mental instability is a mitigation of sorts. Not taking sides on that - it's just that I can see how some might think that way, and I've had enough situations in my life where I have thought I would do a certain thing in a situation, but when confronted with it in real life, felt differently. I think sentencing someone to DP is a heavy burden, and I'm not against the DP.

Regarding your other question, I don't have a clue, but I would guess they can't, because I think one of the TH's would have brought it up. Too bad, because I like the idea.

How can they have sympathy for her....how??? I find it impossible that her statement yesterday created sympathy!

I say it's 7/5...DP/LWOP

OR

11/1...DP/LWOP

Wow, leave for an hour and all he!! breaks loose. I think Bo might have hit the nail on the head about the split on the first verdict. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't isn't up to the judge to give the sentence if they chose life and if she is sane a rational person she would impose the no parole part, that at least seems like a no brainer, right?

glazier wrote:This Monster is going to get Life and Yesterday here in Pittsburgh some lunatic gang-banger fired into a picnic and KILLED A BABY! An innocent baby, and every talking head in World wants skank to go on and on.
I'm tellin' ya...upside-down-World.

Clearly someone on the Jury is going on emotion and not the Rule of Law because it is clear as day.
I told myself if they hadn't reached a Verdict by the time I got home from work(1/2 hr ago) they would be HUNG.
Can't say I'm surprised to be honest, but it's a friggin' joke,imo.

If I had as much faith in the Judge to do the right thing, it wouldn't bother me as much...
but I don't. Worst part is in Hodi's mind she's WINNING

I know what u mean! Where i live a killer murdered over 21 people at a club, one was a pregnant woman...he got life in prison...one juror said she couldn't put some one in the DP. It was later learned that she had siblings in prison and she couldn't put someone in the DP because the same could have been done to her brothers. This is a really sick and twisted world!

Be patient as the jury is working this thru. They have been a fantastic jury thus far so give them the time the need. They are probably worn out and very tired. After all, they had to sit there for months listening to JA and her D(umb)-Team without even the relief of talking to others. Forced to listen to hours and hours of her self-serving drivel. Forced to listen to those stupid "expert" witnesses. Forced to see the huge blown up pictures of the crime scene and the peen pics.

How much can a person endure?

Be patient. It is an attentive jury and they do have a moral backbone.....

I think that this inability to find common ground may be juror fatigue and maybe personality conflict... They should be forced to sit until the end of the month at the very least... re-explain the whole legal stuff... maybe the fact that part of the jury instruction was missed is making someone question the validity of the whole trial...

Just thinking... Please let them agree on something and end this nightmare!

Bo wrote:my guess it's the split of the first degree murder decision: with 7 pre-med/felony vs 5 just the pre-med...if that's the case...pffftt we don't have enough alternates for that coverage....

Yes, it's what I thought. It's likely that there are 2 camps, that's why they found they were hung very quickly. And the question about life was to be sure that there was no possibility of parole. As it seems that this can't be assured, they are hung.

Moosiesmama wrote:Wow, leave for an hour and all he!! breaks loose. I think Bo might have hit the nail on the head about the split on the first verdict. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't isn't up to the judge to give the sentence if they chose life and if she is sane a rational person she would impose the no parole part, that at least seems like a no brainer, right?

Yes the judge will say life with parole or life no parole, if that's the case. I think maybe two or three can't give her the DP that's what I think is going on. So they seriously need to go over the evidence again look at the crime scene pictures and decide based on that. Oh, and I think the judge would give her life without parole if it comes to that.

From WS:

Here is the actual question:

The jury sent a handwritten note on an official question form to the judge. It said: “If the jury is unable to come to a unanimous decision @ this stage, do we notify the judge of this on the form (verdict) or do we just tell the judge her instruction on the bottom P. 10 on the final jury Instruction-Penalty phase?”

It was signed by juror No.18.

Also referenced in this article
http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/free/20130522jodi-arias-jury-deadlocked.html

Freckles wrote:Be patient as the jury is working this thru. They have been a fantastic jury thus far so give them the time the need. They are probably worn out and very tired. After all, they had to sit there for months listening to JA and her D(umb)-Team without even the relief of talking to others. Forced to listen to hours and hours of her self-serving drivel. Forced to listen to those stupid "expert" witnesses. Forced to see the huge blown up pictures of the crime scene and the peen pics.

How much can a person endure?

Be patient. It is an attentive jury and they do have a moral backbone.....

Yes but why did they come back so fast saying they couldn't reach a unanimous decision. It was almost like Nurmi the other day saying no witnesses!

justanopinion wrote:I think that this inability to find common ground may be juror fatigue and maybe personality conflict... They should be forced to sit until the end of the month at the very least... re-explain the whole legal stuff... maybe the fact that part of the jury instruction was missed is making someone question the validity of the whole trial...

Just thinking... Please let them agree on something and end this nightmare!

YES!

Weeziethm wrote:From WS:

Here is the actual question:

The jury sent a handwritten note on an official question form to the judge. It said: “If the jury is unable to come to a unanimous decision @ this stage, do we notify the judge of this on the form (verdict) or do we just tell the judge her instruction on the bottom P. 10 on the final jury Instruction-Penalty phase?”

It was signed by juror No.18.

That actually gives me more hope then...so it wasn't that they were hung? That's what I understand from your post

Freckles wrote:Be patient as the jury is working this thru. They have been a fantastic jury thus far so give them the time the need. They are probably worn out and very tired. After all, they had to sit there for months listening to JA and her D(umb)-Team without even the relief of talking to others. Forced to listen to hours and hours of her self-serving drivel. Forced to listen to those stupid "expert" witnesses. Forced to see the huge blown up pictures of the crime scene and the peen pics.

How much can a person endure?

Be patient. It is an attentive jury and they do have a moral backbone.....

Patience, Hope, and Trust is what we need. Thanks Freckles.

glazier said: "...Worst part is in Hodi's mind she's WINNING .. "

But we all know she is a loser.
Look at CA. Is she happy? We, the American people, have shut her down by shunning her. We shunned the media deals, the book deal, the movie deal... and media DID listen! They lost mega money at first until they realized WE were not buying ANYTHING that "glorified" CA.

It would have been better for CA had she taken 20 years in prison. Shunning is POWERFUL.

With JA, be patient. Know if the worst of our fears is realized ( and so far it is just a hiccough, IMO) we have recourse. And we will use it.

@ladymary,

that's what it seems. They haven't actually come out and said officially that they are hung. Just asked what to do IF they were hung.

Freckles wrote:glazier said: "...Worst part is in Hodi's mind she's WINNING .. "

But we all know she is a loser.
Look at CA. Is she happy? We, the American people, have shut her down by shunning her. We shunned the media deals, the book deal, the movie deal... and media DID listen! They lost mega money at first until they realized WE were not buying ANYTHING that "glorified" CA.

It would have been better for CA had she taken 20 years in prison. Shunning is POWERFUL.

With JA, be patient. Know if the worst of our fears is realized ( and so far it is just a hiccough, IMO) we have recourse. And we will use it.

That's the sickest part Jodi is ecstatic! She thinks she won, and maybe she did, and Travis's family has to continue being taunted with her tv interviews, her freaking t-shirts her lies and continuing to trash Travis, the victim, the man that suffered a slow painful death, who knew his killer, this just so sick and devious!

I just saw another clip of her marathon interviews last night.

She has some ideas on writing a book (not on this case)

oh brother

sick sick woman

Weeziethm wrote:@ladymary,

that's what it seems. They haven't actually come out and said officially that they are hung. Just asked what to do IF they were hung.

Thank God! I hope justice is served!

can they let me in the juror room for 2 minutes I can fix this...

according to Cornell University...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/death_penalty


PRINCIPLE OF INDIVIDUALIZED SENTENCING

To impose a death sentence, the jury must be guided by the particular circumstances of the criminal, and the court must have conducted an individualized sentencing process. In the 2002 Ring v. Arizona decision, the Supreme Court ruled that a jury, rather than a judge, must find an aggravating factor to exist for cases in which those factors underlie a judge's choice to impose the death penalty rather than a lesser punishment. 536 U.S. 584. An aggravating factor is any fact or circumstance that increases the culpability for a criminal act.

The Supreme Court further refined the requirement of "a finding of aggravating factors" in Brown v. Sanders. 546 U.S. 212 (2006). For cases in which an appellate court rules a sentencing factor invalid, the Court ruled that the sentence imposed becomes unconstitutional unless the jury found some other aggravating factor that encompasses the same facts and circumstances as the invalid factor.

Another 2006 cases, Kansas v. Marsh, offered yet another clarification to the principle of individualized sentencing jurisprudence. After Marsh, states may impose the death penalty for situations in which the jury finds the aggravating and mitigating factors to equally balance, without violating the principle of individualized sentencing.

translated if the aggravating and mitigating factors are equal they can still vote DP... well I have to say that the Aggravating factor far out weighs the mitigating factors... Jodi will not feel anything when she gets the needle ... hell they will give her a nice buzz to relax her first... more than can be said for what she did to TRAVIS!

double post sorry!!

If she gets LWOP (according to former head of prisons in AZ) she will be in death row type accomodations for at least 3 years, then have to work her way down to more lenient accomodations. Three years of solitary. I'm good with that. Also, with the appeals with the dp the poor Alexander's will never be free of her. It will be hearing after hearing. I trust that the correct verdict will come down. This jury is trying. they have put in so much time so far, they don't want to give up. Just pray for broken hearts that the Alexander's have. It must be so overwhelmingly sad and burdensome.

ladymary wrote:

Freckles wrote:glazier said: "...Worst part is in Hodi's mind she's WINNING .. "

But we all know she is a loser.
Look at CA. Is she happy? We, the American people, have shut her down by shunning her. We shunned the media deals, the book deal, the movie deal... and media DID listen! They lost mega money at first until they realized WE were not buying ANYTHING that "glorified" CA.

It would have been better for CA had she taken 20 years in prison. Shunning is POWERFUL.

With JA, be patient. Know if the worst of our fears is realized ( and so far it is just a hiccough, IMO) we have recourse. And we will use it.

That's the sickest part Jodi is ecstatic! She thinks she won, and maybe she did, and Travis's family has to continue being taunted with her tv interviews, her freaking t-shirts her lies and continuing to trash Travis, the victim, the man that suffered a slow painful death, who knew his killer, this just so sick and devious!

Don't worry if she thinks she won, she will soon realize in all cases that no one in the world would share her prize...

ARIAS TRIAL TWEETS

martinezliss Getting some air through our vent at the @12News tent outside courthouse as we wait for developments #JodiArias pic.twitter.com/gyceQgY21F
7 minutes ago

martinezliss waiting for developments from jury @mcurtis12news recounts his experience with #JodiArias yesterday pic.twitter.com/Kv9HbboZNp
10 minutes ago

martinezliss Still quiet outside courthouse #JodiArias pic.twitter.com/1oJXBAzdvW
13 minutes ago

reporterjmiguel Still on verdict watch. Jury was deadlocked this am. They decide life or death. If life, judge decides all or possible probation in 25yrs.
14 minutes ago

elizabetherwin The hall outside the courtroom is packed as people wait for news...will today be the day?

Was just thinking back to what stabby said yesterday...
something about "never being a Mother" or some such...
knowing how she sneaks taunts and snarkiness into everything she says, I'd be willing to bet Hodi will make it her life's ambition to GET PREGNANT if given LWOP...
probably get a married to boot and get a Tax-payer funded
College degree as well
With Life (in gen pop) there is HOPE.
I want her hope to be extinguished.
C'mon Jury! it's not like they will put her to Death Tomorrow! probably never will
GRRRR....

Does it really matter what JA believes at this point?
Who cares IF JA believes she has beat the system?
She has thrown EVERYONE under the bus; she has trashed the victim, his family; she has mocked morality; she has dumped on her own family and community; she has admitted to be a sneak and a liar; etc. Is there ANYTHING JA holds sacred? NOPE! Not even her own religion! Does THIS look like a WINNER to anyone other than JA? Nope!

Good luck EVER finding employment in Arizona! Due to JA's trashings of even that state she won't be finding any "friends" there unless it is the riff-raff convict rejects ...

For us, just be patient a bit longer. Trust in this jury to do the best they can.