Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #23

olivier57 wrote:For the one who understand French (yes, could happen ) you would read in the link below that during a trial, it's possible to expose prejudicial information about the defendant, this to understand better his/her personality.

Beneath is the link to the current trial of Tony Meilhon, a 33 years old psychopath who already spent 13 years in jail. 2,5 years ago, he raped, killed, cut into pieces his alleged 18 years old girl friend and threw parts of her body in different locations.

A former girlfriend explained today that she had been raped by him twice and that he threaten her, her son, her mother to death ! Of course, as JA, he is telling lies about his misfortune and that it didn't do everything alone, that he was accompanied with "Mr X" that his honour forbid to reveal the name.

Unfortunately, France is much too kind with criminal, and I think that here, JA would get a maximum 22 years, and if not accompanied with a "safety sentence" (understand parole after 22) could get 20 and be free after 10 !!!

I'm sure that in AZ, he would get DP in the blink of an eye, no hung jury...

http://www.ouest-france.fr/actu/actuDet_-Proces-Meilhon.-Avant-Laetitia-une-ex-compagne-a-senti-la-mort-venir_55257-2195375_actu.Htm

olivier57 wrote:Keikikiki, no problem to provide some guidance, but I must recognize that I think I know perhaps better the US system than the french one ! This because media are seldom authorized in court here. Thanks for my english, I am trying to improve myself live on RC ! (makes me believe that I'm good because everybody is kind enough not to point to mistakes
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olivier57 wrote:Hi Renatae,

I posted my previous message before reading yours. Yes, you really never knows but it's very difficult for me to exchange roles between JA and TA and think that he would not get DP.

Meilhon went in jail for the first time for petty thefts. And the unbelievable is that this psychopath fathered in jail during a conjugal visit !!! I tell you, "justice" is much too kind with criminals.

olivier57 wrote:Thanks Renatae !

I don't want to be obsessed, but CA was also a young cute woman, I doubt, if the defendant were not the mother but the father, he would had been found not guilty.(sorry, this sentence is a bit difficult)

From the Meilhon's trial, that's what a journalist writes :

"Psychiatrists and psychologists will try to sound out today this changing, complex, enigmatic character."

"changing, complex, enigmatic character" isn't that a positive view of an individual who raped and cut a 18 years old girl into pieces ?

keikikiki wrote:

Freckles wrote:This AM, I stood in my kitchen and looked at the beautiful spring morning that was unfolding. When did winter finally leave and this carpet of green roll in? I dunno but the birds were singing their joyous songs. And as I stood there I thought of exercising. And then my thoughts turned to JA and exercising turned to .... EXORCISM! And I thought of someone being hired to exercise the exorcism over JA's soul...

Let's stand behind this family. They need and appreciate the support.

YESYESYES!!!

I'd always hoped to be around to send my support to the Alexanders' after the media frenzy faded...maybe not- since GOD knows when the heck that'll be now...but YES Freckles...I'm hoping all the excess frenetic energy whippin' about now will be channeled into good for them.

That is indeed the good thing about catastrophic illness- taught me a thing or two 'bout not looking at what/how you WISH things had turned out...all I've got is WHAT IS & just get off your duff and work with it AS IT IS! 'Cause it's pretty dang good, all things considered. I ain't that demon for starters.

And I am around to send them support. So let's get to it peeps!

Freckles wrote:I may be in error but here goes...
The second phase was the Aggravating phase.
This pertained to the concept "she killed him 3 X" over.

The third and last phase dealt with the Mitigating factors to NOT give her the DP. How valuable is HER life? What contributions can she make? How much remorse does she have for what she did?

Because of JA stating she wanted to "teach Spanish and American Sign Language" I speculated there was an ESL teacher on the jury. When JA stated she wanted to start a "book club" speculated there was a librarian on the jury. When she stated she wanted to start recycling programs in the prison, I saw her stealing Travis' concerns for the environment, ie, "mirroring" for attention.

IMO, Martinez should have asked the jury: It is not what she COULD do to benefit others or her community it is what she HAS done. She has murdered, violently betrayed a man she STILL professes to care for. She callously killed him for her own undisclosed self gain. As for her grand scheme of contributing? Why could she not have done ANY of these things in JAIL? She has had FIVE years to show us some evidence of positive self-worth and has only gotten into trouble with the guards for doing things such as stealing contraband pens, smuggling messages out to former boyfriends to have them LIE on her behalf in front of a court hearing, etc.. In FIVE years, she met repeatedly with many psychologists/counselors and she filled their ears and notebooks with MORE lies. Does this appear to be a person who is determined to be of benefit to ANY community?

olivier57 wrote:Thanks Renatae !

I don't want to be obsessed, but CA was also a young cute woman, I doubt, if the defendant were not the mother but the father, he would had been found not guilty.(sorry, this sentence is a bit difficult)

From the Meilhon's trial, that's what a journalist writes :

"Psychiatrists and psychologists will try to sound out today this changing, complex, enigmatic character."

"changing, complex, enigmatic character" isn't that a positive view of an individual who raped and cut a 18 years old girl into pieces ?

renatae wrote:

olivier57 wrote:Thanks Renatae !

I don't want to be obsessed, but CA was also a young cute woman, I doubt, if the defendant were not the mother but the father, he would had been found not guilty.(sorry, this sentence is a bit difficult)

From the Meilhon's trial, that's what a journalist writes :

"Psychiatrists and psychologists will try to sound out today this changing, complex, enigmatic character."

"changing, complex, enigmatic character" isn't that a positive view of an individual who raped and cut a 18 years old girl into pieces ?

That's what we sometimes call a "snow job." Or, more plainly, BS, lol. Journalists go out of their way to act like they are non-judgemental and unbiased, and often this justs makes them look ridiculous. One thing about HLN, most of the time they do take sides at one point or another, but in most of the media, that doesn't happen.

That guy definitely is a horror! I'll be interested in what happens, too!

I'm sort of on the fence about the "beauty" theory. I haven't paid much attention over the years to how many good-looking or young people or women get off easily, but I'm going to start taking notice. Of course, CA sure got off easily, but I don't know how much to attribute to her looks and how much is just that the jury was just blind. Look how long Drew Peterson walked around with all the evidence against him - he was a guy, and no young chicken, LOL. Personally, I can't see myself being swayed by good looks - never have been - if I thought someone was guilty due to the evidence, then they are guilty. Hated Scott Peterson as much as JA and CA, and he was the best looking of the bunch - and every bit as sleazy.

Of course, when they sit there and look small and vulnerable, I do think that influences a jury, unfortunately.

18thcenturylady wrote:The foreman of the Arias jury was interviewed this AM. I have to say I was NOT impressed with him. He didn't come across as particularly intelligent or well spoken to me.

He said that he "believed Jodi was physically and mentally, and verbally abused by Travis, but that that was no excuse....blah blah."
He BELIEVED SHE WAS ABUSED! Jodi's lies had some of her desired effect, and some believed her!

As long as our system allows a defendant and her attorneys to manufacture a fictitious story about the victim and present it in court as evidence, we CANNOT RELY ON THAT SYSTEM FOR JUSTICE!
Remember that there was NO corroborating evidence for abuse by Travis, but this juror believed it anyway.
They can all 'pick and choose', and then sit there and make decisions based on that. Not only was justice NOT served, but this only reinforces in Jodi's mind that her lies sometimes WORK---That she is so pretty, charming, charismatic, or whatever else SHE thinks, that she can spin wild stories to her advantage and manipulate some into buying into it all.

I am sorry, but I am furious with this jury, and I think that some of them are ignorant and blind. Mostly, I am furious that our system hid relevant facts from them, and did it in the name of 'justice'.
Maybe we have the 'justice is blind' statue for a reason.
So sad.

I can't follow this case anymore. It has taken too much of a toll on me psychologically, and my faith in the system is not renewed. I know many people who were following this trial for the same reasons I was. We all wanted something good to believe in. We all had issues and past instances in our own lives where justice got out of Dodge and left us hanging. I am one of the walking wounded at present, and it looks as if I will remain so for now. My own life has kicked the crap out of me. This was just the cherry on the poop sundae.

I look at the faces of Juan and the Alexander family and my heart breaks over and over---Samantha sobbing with bowed head, and Juan slumped in his chair with an expression that made me cry too.

Sometime down the road I want to know what the final sentence is for Jodi Arias, but I can't follow this trial any longer. I will be happy when the Alexander family finds peace and justice, and I want to see Juan's dedication and selflessness rewarded as well.

I have loved commenting here and loved interacting with each and every one of you and hearing your wonderful insights, jokes, and wealth of knowledge.

carlakay wrote:I wanna know just HTF anyone can find a woman guilty of murder one with agravating circumstances..knowing the next step is either sentencing her to life in prison or death while believing she was badly abused by her victim!

olivier57 wrote:

carlakay wrote:I wanna know just HTF anyone can find a woman guilty of murder one with agravating circumstances..knowing the next step is either sentencing her to life in prison or death while believing she was badly abused by her victim!

Couldn't that be because the question was not asked like that and because of the order of question in the jurors instructions ? If I recall well, they were asked to answer step by step, one thing at a time guilty/not guilty, aggravating/not aggravating, mitigation/no mitigation. Seems logical but finally leads to incoherence.

carlakay wrote:

olivier57 wrote:

Couldn't that be because the question was not asked like that and because of the order of question in the jurors instructions ? If I recall well, they were asked to answer step by step, one thing at a time guilty/not guilty, aggravating/not aggravating, mitigation/no mitigation. Seems logical but finally leads to incoherence.

Ollie that is why I am sooo mad and disgusted with this jury..that bald headed baffoon's statements in the vid link above only cements it for me..their job in this last phase was ONLY to determine wether or not the mitigating factors outweighed the aggravating factors and despite the fact the mitagating factors were ONLY doodles..hair and friggin recycling compared to 29 stab wounds..13 of which were to the back..a slit throat and a gunshot wound to the head they STILL couldn't do their job..nope instead they chose to pass the buck to someone else..they didn't do that for the friggin chica..they didnt do that for the suffering Alexander family..they did it for themselves and because of that they do not deserve my respect.

Mari 68 wrote:Jury foreman didnt say physical abuse. He believed there was mental and verbal abuse.


I dont hate them for that. They had Jodi up there 18 days with that crap and then another 12 plus days of those bullschitt doctors on her behalf. Piece meal text messages with meanie words by Travis. I understand they believed he was abusive mentally and verbally.

The next jury wont.

Mari 68 wrote:Jury foreman didnt say physical abuse. He believed there was mental and verbal abuse.


I dont hate them for that. They had Jodi up there 18 days with that crap and then another 12 plus days of those bullschitt doctors on her behalf. Piece meal text messages with meanie words by Travis. I understand they believed he was abusive mentally and verbally.

The next jury wont.

carlakay wrote:

Mari 68 wrote:Jury foreman didnt say physical abuse. He believed there was mental and verbal abuse.


I dont hate them for that. They had Jodi up there 18 days with that crap and then another 12 plus days of those bullschitt doctors on her behalf. Piece meal text messages with meanie words by Travis. I understand they believed he was abusive mentally and verbally.

The next jury wont.

how could they render the verdict they did tho..M1 wt aggravating factors.. if they believed chica had been abused AT ALL by anyone? Did they not comprehend the next phase was penalty and there would only be two options? They had to of known that..they knew the death penalty was a factor in this case from the get go..how in God's name can anyone believing this frail little girl (psh!) had been abused get all the way to the point her only two options will be life in prison or the death penalty. That completely boggles my brain.

gsweater wrote:You know, I was so fukcing pissed off yesterday when I heard the word "mistrial." I just couldn't read or watch anything regarding this case. This morning though, I saw a video on YouTube posted by a former guard at the prison where JA will be housed. In it, he reminds everyone that JA is delusional... Regardless of whether she gets LWOP or Death, she will remain isolated AWAY FROM GENERAL POPULATION. With LWOP, she will remain in her cell 22 hours a day. She'll go crazy trying to find a voice to talk to. The other inmates around her are hardcore murderers and won't care about her fame and likely to target her. There will be no book clubs, Sheriff Joe doesn't run that kind of show. There will be a book club of one - JA. There will be no recycling program. A recycling container is considered contraband and would be taken away. So in the end, regardless of whatever the verdict is, she is sooooooo fukced and has no clue as to what she's in for. That makes me happy. The only thing I'm upset about now is that she's not already there and that Travis' family has to endure this phase again.



Not to mention... she'll be in prison with good ol' Angela Simpson who in the video below says she'd kill again if given the chance and has no issues killing whitey... I hope she targets JA.



Fukc you JA - CNUT! Either way, YOU lose.

carlakay wrote:

gsweater wrote:You know, I was so fukcing pissed off yesterday when I heard the word "mistrial." I just couldn't read or watch anything regarding this case. This morning though, I saw a video on YouTube posted by a former guard at the prison where JA will be housed. In it, he reminds everyone that JA is delusional... Regardless of whether she gets LWOP or Death, she will remain isolated AWAY FROM GENERAL POPULATION. With LWOP, she will remain in her cell 22 hours a day. She'll go crazy trying to find a voice to talk to. The other inmates around her are hardcore murderers and won't care about her fame and likely to target her. There will be no book clubs, Sheriff Joe doesn't run that kind of show. There will be a book club of one - JA. There will be no recycling program. A recycling container is considered contraband and would be taken away. So in the end, regardless of whatever the verdict is, she is sooooooo fukced and has no clue as to what she's in for. That makes me happy. The only thing I'm upset about now is that she's not already there and that Travis' family has to endure this phase again.



Not to mention... she'll be in prison with good ol' Angela Simpson who in the video below says she'd kill again if given the chance and has no issues killing whitey... I hope she targets JA.



Fukc you JA - CNUT! Either way, YOU lose.

trouble is she will not go to prison for a very very long time..this shit aint gonna start again July 18th..there will be numerous delays filed n granted..more than likely a change of venue request..and a massive amount of tax payers money will be used long before they even get around to finding 18 more people who never heard a word about it. It could take years...

In the meantime the Alexander family will have to continue to travel back n forth..losing sleep..losing income..losing loved ones who can't continue to support them thru this never ending fight and this evil piece of worthless flesh I have referred to as the chica is gonna continue being the lil princess of sheriff joe's jail believing she is a flippin adored celebrity!

gsweater wrote:

carlakay wrote:

how could they render the verdict they did tho..M1 wt aggravating factors.. if they believed chica had been abused AT ALL by anyone? Did they not comprehend the next phase was penalty and there would only be two options? They had to of known that..they knew the death penalty was a factor in this case from the get go..how in God's name can anyone believing this frail little girl (psh!) had been abused get all the way to the point her only two options will be life in prison or the death penalty. That completely boggles my brain.

Guess it doesn't matter. The hardest parts were accomplished. M1 and Aggravation. Hearing what the juror said, I think we're quite lucky we got that. Count the blessings, because no matter what, she's hosed.

tesstruhart wrote:This is the link for the APaypal for the Alexanders: justice4travisalexander@gmail.comlexander family paypal
I have used this link and it is legit. I got an email back from Samantha after I donated. Incredible family

carlakay wrote:

tesstruhart wrote:This is the link for the APaypal for the Alexanders: justice4travisalexander@gmail.comlexander family paypal
I have used this link and it is legit. I got an email back from Samantha after I donated. Incredible family

thanks Tess...

jerseyjul1 wrote:I wonder if the DT will try & work out deal with Juan now! If it will be months before they get a new jury in here, could Juan want to end it sooner for the Alexander family? I could live with LWOP! If she is in lockdown most of the day & not allowed to be a buddy to all around her, I think I could live with that! Does anyone think Juan might make a deal for LWOP to save the Alexander’s further anguish?

carlakay wrote:

18thcenturylady wrote:The foreman of the Arias jury was interviewed this AM. I have to say I was NOT impressed with him. He didn't come across as particularly intelligent or well spoken to me.

He said that he "believed Jodi was abused by Travis, but that that was no excuse....blah blah."
He BELIEVED SHE WAS ABUSED! Jodi's lies had some of her desired effect, and some believed her!

As long as our system allows a defendant and her attorneys to manufacture a fictitious story about the victim and present it in court as evidence, we CANNOT RELY ON THAT SYSTEM FOR JUSTICE!
Remember that there was NO corroborating evidence for abuse by Travis, but this juror believed it anyway.
They can all 'pick and choose', and then sit there and make decisions based on that. Not only was justice NOT served, but this only reinforces in Jodi's mind that her lies sometimes WORK---That she is so pretty, charming, charismatic, or whatever else SHE thinks, that she can spin wild stories to her advantage and manipulate some into buying into it all.

I am sorry, but I am furious with this jury, and I think that some of them are ignorant and blind. Mostly, I am furious that our system hid relevant facts from them, and did it in the name of 'justice'.
Maybe we have the 'justice is blind' statue for a reason.
So sad.

I can't follow this case anymore. It has taken too much of a toll on me psychologically, and my faith in the system is not renewed. I know many people who were following this trial for the same reasons I was. We all wanted something good to believe in. We all had issues and past instances in our own lives where justice got out of Dodge and left us hanging. I am one of the walking wounded at present, and it looks as if I will remain so for now. My own life has kicked the crap out of me. This was just the cherry on the poop sundae.

I look at the faces of Juan and the Alexander family and my heart breaks over and over---Samantha sobbing with bowed head, and Juan slumped in his chair with an expression that made me cry too.

Sometime down the road I want to know what the final sentence is for Jodi Arias, but I can't follow this trial any longer. I will be happy when the Alexander family finds peace and justice, and I want to see Juan's dedication and selflessness rewarded as well.

I have loved commenting here and loved interacting with each and every one of you and hearing your wonderful insights, jokes, and wealth of knowledge.

I will miss you... take care of yourself and your hubby

tesstruhart wrote:

carlakay wrote:

thanks Tess...

I copied it wrong, the correct link is on my edited post. After the .com delete the lexander part. I'm sorry about that.

jerseyjul1 wrote:I wonder if the DT will try & work out deal with Juan now! If it will be months before they get a new jury in here, could Juan want to end it sooner for the Alexander family? I could live with LWOP! If she is in lockdown most of the day & not allowed to be a buddy to all around her, I think I could live with that! Does anyone think Juan might make a deal for LWOP to save the Alexander’s further anguish?