Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #23

tesstruhart wrote:18th I totally understand the need for a respite from this madness. If you feel like coming back, just to say hello, we will all be on the boards someplace. Definitely when this comes back, i don't expect that to happen very quickly though. I will also take a rest but hope to follow Andrea Sneiderman, we'll see. Word is that the Alexander's were heartbroken, but after the shock they feel the love and support from the vast majority of people out here. They are grateful. Take care and we love u too. We are a special little group, so just know even if you need to vent about something, just find one of us and let it out....
love you

Yes 18th, don't leave for a long time !

Yes, I think that the Alexander's should have some rest in the next monthes, that they forget her, she is anyway in jail, it's much easier to wait outside, having dinners, entertainments, friends, games, family... and 18th costumes !

I think it's tricky... I don't think any deal could regulate how her life term would be served (via locked down or GP). I think she would turn down a LWOP deal because it would lock her in, it's final. A life sentence would give her the possibility of getting out if the board felt she was fit, granted I don't think that would happened but it would hash it up every few years... DP gives her appeals to make sure her trial was fair but not to get an entirely new on correct? I think she'll roll the dice if given the option... Both her and her Dt lie so telling the jury she'll never get out even know that could be an option is a lie and JA is banking on that lie...

If the Alexander family tells Juan to stop..he will..the judge will then rule life with or without parole and chica will have no voice in that matter.

right now, she is in her cell 23 hours a day. Sheriff Joe has her on close custody. She is M1 with cruelty. She needs sentencing, so even if the dt or new dt should get continuances forever, she is in virtual lockdown. No friends, no bookclubs etc. She will have herself and all her evil incarnations as companions. No more medial blitzes. I suspect no more Donovan to tweet for her shortly. They are investigating Donovan now for fraternizing with a felon. If her sister wants to get that involved ( I suspect that won't fly for very long) that would be an outlet, but life will settle in for her and her family. Phone calls and sparse visitation if they have to come from California. Her days of manipulation are coming to a screeching halt.

gsweater wrote:You know, I was so fukcing pissed off yesterday when I heard the word "mistrial." I just couldn't read or watch anything regarding this case. This morning though, I saw a video on YouTube posted by a former guard at the prison where JA will be housed. In it, he reminds everyone that JA is delusional... Regardless of whether she gets LWOP or Death, she will remain isolated AWAY FROM GENERAL POPULATION. With LWOP, she will remain in her cell 22 hours a day. She'll go crazy trying to find a voice to talk to. The other inmates around her are hardcore murderers and won't care about her fame and likely to target her. There will be no book clubs, Sheriff Joe doesn't run that kind of show. There will be a book club of one - JA. There will be no recycling program. A recycling container is considered contraband and would be taken away. So in the end, regardless of whatever the verdict is, she is sooooooo fukced and has no clue as to what she's in for. That makes me happy. The only thing I'm upset about now is that she's not already there and that Travis' family has to endure this phase again.



Not to mention... she'll be in prison with good ol' Angela Simpson who in the video below says she'd kill again if given the chance and has no issues killing whitey... I hope she targets JA.



Fukc you JA - CNUT! Either way, YOU lose.

Agreed, I just hope that Angela threatens and yells at JA... since JA said that "no one would be in danger as long as they didn't threaten her or yell at her" JA is a delusional POS and I hope she is as uncomfortable and lonely as she can be... I hope that she feels that living in her cell is like being buried alive. I hope she has nightmares and that the spirit of TA haunts her every moment.

olivier57 wrote:

jerseyjul1 wrote:I wonder if the DT will try & work out deal with Juan now! If it will be months before they get a new jury in here, could Juan want to end it sooner for the Alexander family? I could live with LWOP! If she is in lockdown most of the day & not allowed to be a buddy to all around her, I think I could live with that! Does anyone think Juan might make a deal for LWOP to save the Alexander’s further anguish?

In my idea, it's her who would refuse LWOP. She is thinking appeals, unfair trial (and a second jury will be very good for that) and a possibility to be free after 20 years. If she accepts LWOP, it's done for her, isn't it ?

I agree with you Oli that it will be Hodi who will want to spin the dice....cuz she is INVINCIBLE now, donchaknow. This will be at least another year, if that, should they continue on. In JA's world, time is all she needs to weave her net of deceit and lies. She most definitely will. I don't know the statistics but read on Blink that she stated 3 out of 5 DP cases that goes to a second jury in Arizona results in DP. Those aren't bad odds, but I don't know the source of this data, so fwiw.

Am sure Nurmi is out...in fact all they showed late yesterday was his empty chair swiveling as the judge barely sputtered the awful non verdict. lol. I'm betting JW is out too. She won't accept LWOP, but I'd be okay with it. At least we'd never have to see or hear from her again so who the heck cares if she is in there causing havoc....won't ruin our days!

Haven't watched the foreman interview yet....can't view without an adult beverage. Sounds like I'll need several from your reports.

@18th. Be good to yourself. Come back when you are ready.

Thanks guys...I'll be back. I am exhausted and heartbroken at the outcome of this. I am haunted by the Alexander's words and Juan's sad face...
I'll be back one day stickin' in my two cents!

Five juries have hung in death penalty phases in Maricopa County.

One prosecutor chose not to empanel a new jury and took it to the judge and the defendant was given LWOP.

The other four cases the prosecutor empaneled a new jury. THREE of them came back with death. The fourth one was again hung.

3 outta 4 ain't so bad.

I saw a bunch of videos last night and this morning - some guy from the AZ Dept of Corrections said "doesn't matter her verdict, THE cell she will be housed in is the same. Isolation."

Just google Perryville Prison - check it out. Nasty stuff up there. Real nasty.

And I saw another article by an ex-warden. The prison guards are JUST as bad, many times, as the criminals they are guarding. Psychopaths salivate at the chance to be a prison guard. The ones who enjoy hurting others - wrong or right, good or bad, these are the very people Jodi will have to trust to take care of her.

3 meals, medical, dental, showers, toilet paper - yes, she will get all that.

But it will be meted out by psychopathic guards.

Good luck, Jodi. Rest up these next couple of months. You'll need it.


HAPPY MEMORIAL WEEKEND EVERYONE!!!!!

Happy Memorial Day weekend to all...

No holiday here in Canada but, Spending the weekend out Field Trials with the dogs... Saturday night at the Marina for Cocktails and barbecue..

Hodi will be the furthest thing from my mind!!

got something else I gotta gripe about..now it is being reported the mother is upset she was not notified there was a verdict.

Ok well I was at a lil league baseball game across town with no wifi and not checking twitter but did not need to..everyone I know was textin me nonstop what was being reported on HLN so I knew it was not just another damn question and was able to get home just in time to see the bs read.
IMO Mother Arias chose not to be a witness to her daughters fate...once again speaks volumes

carlakay wrote:got something else I gotta gripe about..now it is being reported the mother is upset she was not notified there was a verdict.

Ok well I was at a lil league baseball game across town with no wifi and not checking twitter but did not need to..everyone I know was textin me nonstop what was being reported on HLN so I knew it was not just another damn question and was able to get home just in time to see the bs read.
IMO Mother Arias chose not to be a witness to her daughters fate...once again speaks volumes

lol I read that too. Who cares. Besides, it wasn't a verdict. Her mother should have been nearby.

Instead, did you see what the family was doing??? Taking in the sites. They are on their way to the Grand Canyon.

Bizarro. The gravity of this just isn't shown on their outward behaviors or faces. I'm not saying its not there at all - I just have seen no evidence of it.

That disconnected schitt of theirs is what helped Jodi along the path of anti-social.

Weeziethm wrote:

olivier57 wrote:

In my idea, it's her who would refuse LWOP. She is thinking appeals, unfair trial (and a second jury will be very good for that) and a possibility to be free after 20 years. If she accepts LWOP, it's done for her, isn't it ?

I agree with you Oli that it will be Hodi who will want to spin the dice....cuz she is INVINCIBLE now, donchaknow. This will be at least another year, if that, should they continue on. In JA's world, time is all she needs to weave her net of deceit and lies. She most definitely will. I don't know the statistics but read on Blink that she stated 3 out of 5 DP cases that goes to a second jury in Arizona results in DP. Those aren't bad odds, but I don't know the source of this data, so fwiw.

Am sure Nurmi is out...in fact all they showed late yesterday was his empty chair swiveling as the judge barely sputtered the awful non verdict. lol. I'm betting JW is out too. She won't accept LWOP, but I'd be okay with it. At least we'd never have to see or hear from her again so who the heck cares if she is in there causing havoc....won't ruin our days!

Haven't watched the foreman interview yet....can't view without an adult beverage. Sounds like I'll need several from your reports.

@18th. Be good to yourself. Come back when you are ready.

I noticed that..was he a no show or did he bolt and run like hell the second he knew he still aint free of her? lol

carlakay wrote:got something else I gotta gripe about..now it is being reported the mother is upset she was not notified there was a verdict.

Ok well I was at a lil league baseball game across town with no wifi and not checking twitter but did not need to..everyone I know was textin me nonstop what was being reported on HLN so I knew it was not just another damn question and was able to get home just in time to see the bs read.
IMO Mother Arias chose not to be a witness to her daughters fate...once again speaks volumes

Yes she should stay quite, not even trying to avoid DP for her daughter ... speaks volumes (thanks Carlakay, I didn't knew the expression !)

It does seem rather unlikely that the family wasn't notified of a verdict. Everyone else seems to have been notified. I wonder if they were told to stay away, for future appeals? You know, she has an uncaring family. I don't know, but its all a moot point now anyway. I am getting back to life little by little. My foot surgery is slowing me down a little. Its my gas pedal foot and I'm grounded. grrrrr Its also my quilting machine foot. I laugh when I whine about that, at least I can go to the refridgerator...someone we know just can't do that.

no tess even the media were not notified it was a verdict as they were suppose to be..yet another incident of this court dropping the ball..but the media inside were sending out tweets sayin tissue boxes were being passed around;security was more than usual..Jodi was crying..etc etc.. so it was pretty clear it was NOIT just another question..so as far as I am concerned there is no good reason the Arias family can claim ignorance now.

justanopinion wrote:

hello clarice wrote:So what does a person have to do that is more cruel/heinous that what this POS did to get the death sentence? Why is it even on the books, why did these jurors say in voir dire they could impose the DP yet fail to do so after all the evidence that clearly indicates this POS should not be given anything less? Twenty of the good peeps on here should volunteer for the second jury. Jodi Who? we wouldn't need much time to digest all the evidence, hell I'll pay my own way down from the Great White North. I'm gobsmacked!!! God Bless the Alexander family and keep them strong

Clarice Can I sit on the plane with you? I feel absolutely deflated. But I am willing to sit on the next jury as well... Jodi ? could you spell that for me?

Hi JAO I would be honoured to sit next to you. I can leave tomorrow............

Wishing everyone a happy Memorial day. Hope you all have lot's of fun with picnics and parades!
We were hired to march in the Limerick Maine Memorial Day parade in 18thc. clothing (Rev war patriots!)
Adam will be firing his musket for the "edification" of the crowds!

Mari 68 wrote:Five juries have hung in death penalty phases in Maricopa County.

One prosecutor chose not to empanel a new jury and took it to the judge and the defendant was given LWOP.

The other four cases the prosecutor empaneled a new jury. THREE of them came back with death. The fourth one was again hung.

3 outta 4 ain't so bad.

I saw a bunch of videos last night and this morning - some guy from the AZ Dept of Corrections said "doesn't matter her verdict, THE cell she will be housed in is the same. Isolation."

Just google Perryville Prison - check it out. Nasty stuff up there. Real nasty.

And I saw another article by an ex-warden. The prison guards are JUST as bad, many times, as the criminals they are guarding. Psychopaths salivate at the chance to be a prison guard. The ones who enjoy hurting others - wrong or right, good or bad, these are the very people Jodi will have to trust to take care of her.

3 meals, medical, dental, showers, toilet paper - yes, she will get all that.

But it will be meted out by psychopathic guards.

Good luck, Jodi. Rest up these next couple of months. You'll need it.


HAPPY MEMORIAL WEEKEND EVERYONE!!!!!

Mari,
Thanks for this great info. This is very heartening, and I hope Juan and the Alexanders are planning on moving forward with a new jury. I definitely would take that route and NOT make and 'deals' with Hodi.
I think the Alexanders must be very sad and exhausted, and they just need a little breather. Juan will persevere and will do his very best for them, and when it's time, they will rise to the challenge, and the next time I am SURE things will work out and there will be justice for Travis at last.
Happy, happy weekend everyone~

18thcenturylady wrote:

Mari 68 wrote:Five juries have hung in death penalty phases in Maricopa County.

One prosecutor chose not to empanel a new jury and took it to the judge and the defendant was given LWOP.

The other four cases the prosecutor empaneled a new jury. THREE of them came back with death. The fourth one was again hung.

3 outta 4 ain't so bad.

I saw a bunch of videos last night and this morning - some guy from the AZ Dept of Corrections said "doesn't matter her verdict, THE cell she will be housed in is the same. Isolation."

Just google Perryville Prison - check it out. Nasty stuff up there. Real nasty.

And I saw another article by an ex-warden. The prison guards are JUST as bad, many times, as the criminals they are guarding. Psychopaths salivate at the chance to be a prison guard. The ones who enjoy hurting others - wrong or right, good or bad, these are the very people Jodi will have to trust to take care of her.

3 meals, medical, dental, showers, toilet paper - yes, she will get all that.

But it will be meted out by psychopathic guards.

Good luck, Jodi. Rest up these next couple of months. You'll need it.


HAPPY MEMORIAL WEEKEND EVERYONE!!!!!

Mari,
Thanks for this great info. This is very heartening, and I hope Juan and the Alexanders are planning on moving forward with a new jury. I definitely would take that route and NOT make and 'deals' with Hodi.
I think the Alexanders must be very sad and exhausted, and they just need a little breather. Juan will persevere and will do his very best for them, and when it's time, they will rise to the challenge, and the next time I am SURE things will work out and there will be justice for Travis at last.
Happy, happy weekend everyone~

Beautiful 18 & Adam! Those pics are SUPER COOL! I love your passion! You MUST come here as much as you can bear, 'cause you are needed! Of course I understand your need to focus on your own sweet life...Btw, I didn't get to mention (a week or so ago Iirc) how GORGEOUS your home and those fences/gates/gardens are! Holy Moly woman! You have a gift, and it is inspiring to behold.

Okay- just catching up today, but heard Clancy (Alexander family friend- the one JA confronted in the bathroom) Talbot on Fox News w/Shep...My apologies if this was already mentioned, but I've heard so much chatter swirling in the media about whether the Alexanders can bear another penalty phase yadayada...

Clancy firmly stated (in response to another query 'bout if they might just prefer to plea to lwop etc.) that NO! Unless there was an option for her to be sentenced to dp without death- meaning, (LIKE MOST OF US HERE have been saying) that she BE ISOLATED, LOCKED IN HER CAGE 23/7 on death row- that THAT IS THE OUTCOME THEY WANT...and they are not (at this point anyway) willing to settle for less. GOD BLESS THE ALEXANDER FAMILY!

It does seem the world is united behind them, focused mainly on THEIR well-being & wishes. Just thought this was a good sign, that they are so clear on what NEEDS to happen...and that in the end, it will.

JMO, but listening to Clancy...I hope the Alexanders continue (through friends/surrogates) to voice their feelings to the world. I hope the jurors that bought even one of the demon's lies are flooded with the light of truth. I too am mad as a hornet (understatement, okay, yes- you caught me) about this bogus hang job...but since I had zero control over it anyway, try to re-direct my angst toward what I CAN control...which...hmm...isn't much . Anyhoo...just thinkin' aloud as usual, and hoping the jurors will 'see the light' is all.

keikikiki wrote:

18thcenturylady wrote:

Mari,
Thanks for this great info. This is very heartening, and I hope Juan and the Alexanders are planning on moving forward with a new jury. I definitely would take that route and NOT make and 'deals' with Hodi.
I think the Alexanders must be very sad and exhausted, and they just need a little breather. Juan will persevere and will do his very best for them, and when it's time, they will rise to the challenge, and the next time I am SURE things will work out and there will be justice for Travis at last.
Happy, happy weekend everyone~

Beautiful 18 & Adam! Those pics are SUPER COOL! I love your passion! You MUST come here as much as you can bear, 'cause you are needed! Of course I understand your need to focus on your own sweet life...Btw, I didn't get to mention (a week or so ago Iirc) how GORGEOUS your home and those fences/gates/gardens are! Holy Moly woman! You have a gift, and it is inspiring to behold.

Okay- just catching up today, but heard Clancy (Alexander family friend- the one JA confronted in the bathroom) Talbot on Fox News w/Shep...My apologies if this was already mentioned, but I've heard so much chatter swirling in the media about whether the Alexanders can bear another penalty phase yadayada...

Clancy firmly stated (in response to another query 'bout if they might just prefer to plea to lwop etc.) that NO! Unless there was an option for her to be sentenced to dp without death- meaning, (LIKE MOST OF US HERE have been saying) that she BE ISOLATED, LOCKED IN HER CAGE 23/7 on death row- that THAT IS THE OUTCOME THEY WANT...and they are not (at this point anyway) willing to settle for less. GOD BLESS THE ALEXANDER FAMILY!

It does seem the world is united behind them, focused mainly on THEIR well-being & wishes. Just thought this was a good sign, that they are so clear on what NEEDS to happen...and that in the end, it will.

JMO, but listening to Clancy...I hope the Alexanders continue (through friends/surrogates) to voice their feelings to the world. I hope the jurors that bought even one of the demon's lies are flooded with the light of truth. I too am mad as a hornet (understatement, okay, yes- you caught me) about this bogus hang job...but since I had zero control over it anyway, try to re-direct my angst toward what I CAN control...which...hmm...isn't much . Anyhoo...just thinkin' aloud as usual, and hoping the jurors will 'see the light' is all.

YES!!! Dear Kik~So happy to hear this! I'll be back here---I love all you peeps too much to stay away forever!
Kiki, you are such a sweetie...Thanks for the kind words.
The Alexanders will ultimately triumph in this and there will be justice for Travis. Some of there jurors were misguided, but I believe in Juan. He's a wonderful and dedicated person.
Kiki, you have a wonderful weekend, and hugs and blessing to you~

Beautiful18 & Adam: Just wish I could be over there this summer to witness your magic in person! That must be one of the best Memorial Day &/or July 4th celebrations in the US of A! I'll be there in spirit for sure!

18th I just love your pix. Super. How much fun is hanging out in your period costumes and have present day world look like you're a blast from the past. Have a wonderful weekend and act your little heart out.
Keikikiki I just love your little rockin' soul. You are so much fun and I wish you and yours a wonderful, light-hearted weekend as well. We all need a little break from this stuff, but I will be back hunting you all down just to say hi. I love the conversating and contemperaneous thoughts that fall out of heads.

So basically when Convicted Murderer held up that 'survivor'
T-shirt the Jury Formeman was like "right on!"...?

He actually bought into ALV's silly bullchit?
Un-friggin real.

I'm tellin' ya, the 15 hours over 3 days takes on a whole new meaning for me now!
I WAGER WE CAME CLOSER THAN ANYONE EVER THOUGHT OF A HUNG JURY ON THE GUILT PHASE
wow...he actually bought into the abuse angle
GOBSMACKED

I'm really glad she took pictures of her Murder because without them...who knows, eh ?
Honestly we should thank our lucky stars we got pre-med!

Juror number 8 sounded like one of us though.
He said some things that could have come from some of our posts here.

off topic... but... this one got found guilty of most of the charges ... jurors return tuesday to see if he get DP or life

Justice for Shaniya Davis!
http://www.wral.com/fayetteville-man-guilty-of-kidnapping-killing-shaniya-davis/12478628/

Maybe this jury can get it right!! (also a thread here at RC)

justanopinion wrote:off topic... but... this one got found guilty of most of the charges ... jurors return tuesday to see if he get DP or life

Justice for Shaniya Davis!
http://www.wral.com/fayetteville-man-guilty-of-kidnapping-killing-shaniya-davis/12478628/

Maybe this jury can get it right!! (also a thread here at RC)

I have been following this too. I was so pleased that the trial was short and sweet. Now the DP is due. Can't wait for that mother to go on trial too. She is terrible.

Side note: I really enjoy your posts. You are great. Thank you for making me feel so welcome.

18thcenturylady wrote:
Wishing everyone a happy Memorial day. Hope you all have lot's of fun with picnics and parades!
We were hired to march in the Limerick Maine Memorial Day parade in 18thc. clothing (Rev war patriots!)
Adam will be firing his musket for the "edification" of the crowds!

Wicked Fun!!!! Post more pics when the weekend is over - I love this kinda stuff.

Mari 68 wrote:

18thcenturylady wrote:
Wishing everyone a happy Memorial day. Hope you all have lot's of fun with picnics and parades!
We were hired to march in the Limerick Maine Memorial Day parade in 18thc. clothing (Rev war patriots!)
Adam will be firing his musket for the "edification" of the crowds!

Wicked Fun!!!! Post more pics when the weekend is over - I love this kinda stuff.

Thanks Mari!!!
We plan on putting a gallery of photos of us in the parade up on our website. I'll post here in a few days and give y'all the link when we get it up.

We'll be putting up a gallery of photos of us in 18thc. dress in the parade after Monday, on our website. I'll be sure to post here when we have it up.
In the meantime, we have a gallery up right now of many photos of us in costume, and of our 18thc. house.

The house was a dump when I bought it. I spent 15 years restoring it with almost no $$, and almost 8 of those alone.

Please 'visit' us here~

www.thecountryladyantiques.com

Pianist wrote:

justanopinion wrote:off topic... but... this one got found guilty of most of the charges ... jurors return tuesday to see if he get DP or life

Justice for Shaniya Davis!
http://www.wral.com/fayetteville-man-guilty-of-kidnapping-killing-shaniya-davis/12478628/

Maybe this jury can get it right!! (also a thread here at RC)

I have been following this too. I was so pleased that the trial was short and sweet. Now the DP is due. Can't wait for that mother to go on trial too. She is terrible.

Side note: I really enjoy your posts. You are great. Thank you for making me feel so welcome.

I'm not completely shocked about Jodi not getting the DP - we all knew it was a possibility, some thought a probability - but this guy is FOR SURE going to get the DP.

I was shocked he didn't accept the plea deal.

18thcenturylady wrote:
We'll be putting up a gallery of photos of us in 18thc. dress in the parade after Monday, on our website. I'll be sure to post here when we have it up.
In the meantime, we have a gallery up right now of many photos of us in costume, and of our 18thc. house.

The house was a dump when I bought it. I spent 15 years restoring it with almost no $$, and almost 8 of those alone.

Please 'visit' us here~

www.thecountryladyantiques.com

The globe on your website - the one on the iron stand - how old is it?

Glass -more-than-half-full!
After hearing the Jury Foremans interview, I think if they manage to impanel a NEW Jury, Juan will have a much better shot than he did with this one. Maybe just maybe being in that courtroom day after day...even though she is a dangerouys Murderer, there developes an.. I dunno...
an attachment?...a familiarity of sorts ?

I mean this guy said he " would like to talk with JODI"

Obviously he 'connected' with her as a fellow "human being"
(another exact quote)
I'm not gonna hate on the guy...haven't the energy.
He is basically a very gullible person, just the type Defense Attorneys 'play to'.
It was what it was...but I'm thinkin' it might not be as hard to get another 12 and take another shot! And Arpaio coming to his senses with the 23 1/2 hour isolation is a Godsend.
I think I'm at peace with the whole deal now.

Where are we all off to now peeps? Caryn Kelly, Andrea Schneiderman? Don't know anything about either but look forward to learning. Hope all you lovely posters have a happy and safe Memorial Day

glazier wrote:Glass -more-than-half-full!
After hearing the Jury Foremans interview, I think if they manage to impanel a NEW Jury, Juan will have a much better shot than he did with this one. Maybe just maybe being in that courtroom day after day...even though she is a dangerouys Murderer, there developes an.. I dunno...
an attachment?...a familiarity of sorts ?

I mean this guy said he " would like to talk with JODI"

Obviously he 'connected' with her as a fellow "human being"
(another exact quote)
I'm not gonna hate on the guy...haven't the energy.
He is basically a very gullible person, just the type Defense Attorneys 'play to'.
It was what it was...but I'm thinkin' it might not be as hard to get another 12 and take another shot! And Arpaio coming to his senses with the 23 1/2 hour isolation is a Godsend.
I think I'm at peace with the whole deal now.

they were only allowed to see tid bits of texts and emails - and then ALV was allowed to say that "even Travis' friends warned her of the abuse"

So, really, they did the RIGHT thing in spite of hearing all of that. They found her guilty of M1 AND they said it was especially cruel. I think they DID struggle with even giving her that M1. At least it sounds like they did.

Their hearts, some of them, didn't WANT to give the M1 - but they did the right thing - they agreed it was pre-meditated. So really, I have a feeling these folks are upset with themselves and life itself at the moment.

Can you imagine feeling somewhat sorry for a person - understanding "where they are coming from" and yet knowing you MUST do your job and find them guilty of M1?

That was hard for them. For the ones who bought into the abuse. I'm just talking about those ones.

So - we shall see with this next jury - nobody is gonna do that whole "feeling sorry" bit.

tesstruhart wrote:This is the link for the APaypal for the Alexanders: justice4travisalexander@gmail.com family paypal
I have used this link and it is legit. I got an email back from Samantha after I donated. Incredible family

Tess--
Isn't this ^^^ what it is all about? Are we not here to care for one another? And what does this caring involve ? Sometimes, it is taking the time to physically or emotionally assist and other times it IS about sending a little cash to help ease others need or discomfort.

We recently heard a call for needed donations for the Moore, Oklahoma tornado tragedy. A church member asked co-workers IF they could each give a little. Then the call spread to other businesses in the area and THEY each asked their employees to give a little something to this church as the church was going to make a run to the area with the collected donations. I went thru my pantry and was able to fill 4 heavy boxes with soups, spaghetti, juices, etc.. I gave one of my packs of bottled water and threw in some packs of gum (for the children). And I pulled out those saved plastic wrapped utensils from the fast food places... tossed in the foil baking trays, etc.. And in as many hours, we had a "decent" donation. The best gift? My spare can opener to go with ALL the cans of soup!!!

Why??? Why???? Pay it in advance, perhaps but more: "There but for the grace of God go I..."

BTW So much was contributed, the church started making runs to Oklahoma every 6 hours. !!! And, IMO, THIS is what we are called on to do for our communities. Love one another as we would love ourselves.

Rant over.

carlakay wrote:got something else I gotta gripe about..now it is being reported the mother is upset she was not notified there was a verdict.

Ok well I was at a lil league baseball game across town with no wifi and not checking twitter but did not need to..everyone I know was textin me nonstop what was being reported on HLN so I knew it was not just another damn question and was able to get home just in time to see the bs read.
IMO Mother Arias chose not to be a witness to her daughters fate...once again speaks volumes

IMO The family believed they could stop the freight train by standing on the tracks. In other words, IF the mother et al were not in the court, the verdict would be delayed. WRONG! So, if the purpose of the mother is to be in AZ at the trial of her dau, THEN she needs to get those priorities straight and BE THERE. No point complaining after the fact due to HER poor planning and prioritizing.

Jury foreman says life or death decision unfair

By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press
Updated 5:32 pm, Friday, May 24, 2013

PHOENIX (AP) — They were 12 ordinary citizens who didn't oppose the death penalty. But unlike spectators outside the courthouse who followed the case like a daytime soap opera and jumped to demand Jodi Arias' execution, the jurors faced a decision that was wrenching and real, with implications that could haunt them forever.

In an interview Friday, jury foreman William Zervakos provided a glimpse into the private deliberations, describing four women and eight men who struggled with the question: How heinous of a killing deserves a similar fate?

"The system we think is flawed in that sense because this was not a case of a Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson," Zervakos told The Associated Press.

~Snipped~


Zervakos described a deliberations room full of tears and spinning moral compasses as each juror struggled to come to grips with their own beliefs about what factors — including Arias' young age at the time of the killing and her lack of criminal history — should cause them to show mercy and spare her life.

"You've got Travis Alexander's family devastated, that he was killed, that he was brutally killed. You've got Jodi Arias' family sitting in there, both families sitting and seeing these humiliating images and listening to unbelievably lurid private details of their lives, and you've got a woman whose life is over, too," Zervakos said. "I mean, who's winning in this situation? And we were stuck in the middle."

Read more:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/Jury-foreman-says-life-or-death-decision-unfair-4545378.php#ixzz2UMFjUzOZ

I still don't understand why the family had to go to visit the Grand Canyon... didn't they get enough of that with looking at the pics of Hodi's crack?

I was just discussing the case with my Auntie who has not been following any of this... she made some interesting points... Auntie had only the briefest of information but still came up with this stuff!!

1.. is something we already talked about.. the Hodi may have been thinking that if she got the DP then her and Travis would then be able to spend eternity together!! after all The demon was a Mormon as well..

2. She thinks that LWOP is the better choice as 23 hours a day she is in seclusion.. and being that she is only in her early 30's now and will not be able to imbibe or smoke or lots of other illness causing things she will live a very long time..

3. the guards will not make it a party or cake walk for her... they know what she did and she will pay for it in many little ways.

4. getting the DP is the easy way out... the girl had suicide ideation and the DP would take all of the suffering of sitting in a cell away. Once you know how much longer you have.. when you get the date.. many prisoners get peace...

I want to know that she is haunted by what horrific things she did... I want to know that she is not happy... but more importantly I am going to make a point of knowing when I sit outside and have a Margarita and a barbecue that she can't do that... When I walk on the beach it is something she will never get to do...

I think that it would be a hoot ... if the Alexander family went and visited all the things from 1000 places to see before you die they sent her the book and then a postcard from each of those places with the simple message (no return address) I was here... and you won't ever be!!

I will be tremendously happy no matter what sentence she gets with this new perspective!!

justanopinion wrote:I was just discussing the case with my Auntie who has not been following any of this... she made some interesting points... Auntie had only the briefest of information but still came up with this stuff!!

1.. is something we already talked about.. the Hodi may have been thinking that if she got the DP then her and Travis would then be able to spend eternity together!! after all The demon was a Mormon as well..

2. She thinks that LWOP is the better choice as 23 hours a day she is in seclusion.. and being that she is only in her early 30's now and will not be able to imbibe or smoke or lots of other illness causing things she will live a very long time..

3. the guards will not make it a party or cake walk for her... they know what she did and she will pay for it in many little ways.

4. getting the DP is the easy way out... the girl had suicide ideation and the DP would take all of the suffering of sitting in a cell away. Once you know how much longer you have.. when you get the date.. many prisoners get peace...

I want to know that she is haunted by what horrific things she did... I want to know that she is not happy... but more importantly I am going to make a point of knowing when I sit outside and have a Margarita and a barbecue that she can't do that... When I walk on the beach it is something she will never get to do...

I think that it would be a hoot ... if the Alexander family went and visited all the things from 1000 places to see before you die they sent her the book and then a postcard from each of those places with the simple message (no return address) I was here... and you won't ever be!!

I will be tremendously happy no matter what sentence she gets with this new perspective!!

Your Auntie is very wise. I agree with you that Jodi will not be in any HAPPY place for the rest of her life. I will enjoy my family, wonderful days, the ocean, traveling, sunsets, sunrises, baking cookies, giving to others, listening to great music, going to the theater, well I guess I am saying I will enjoy life....she will NOT! That for her will be H... On earth. That she deserves.

Jodi Arias Jury Foreman Speaks On Deliberations

Friday 05/24/13

INSIDE EDITION spoke with jury foreman Bill Zervakos on the deliberation process in the Jodi Arias trial, which came to an end that no one wanted.

http://www.insideedition.com/

tesstruhart wrote:It does seem rather unlikely that the family wasn't notified of a verdict. Everyone else seems to have been notified. I wonder if they were told to stay away, for future appeals? You know, she has an uncaring family. I don't know, but its all a moot point now anyway. I am getting back to life little by little. My foot surgery is slowing me down a little. Its my gas pedal foot and I'm grounded. grrrrr Its also my quilting machine foot. I laugh when I whine about that, at least I can go to the refridgerator...someone we know just can't do that.

I have been thinking along the same line as ^^^.

First: The court audibly asked the attorneys if they each would be reachable and where and if they could be in court in 30 minutes of notification. Obviously, court will NOT begin if the attorneys are not present. There was there FIRST clue!

Second: Why were the family members of JA present in court? Why did they fly or drive to Phoenix? Was it not to show support for JA? Maybe, just out of curiosity? And if that were the case, why would they ALL decide to take a drive THREE HOURS away?
Three hours up, tour, and then three hours back? Did they get their priorities screwed up again?

Third: As has been observed, the JA family WAS present earlier in the day when the jury sent in a question. Did this sink into any of the brains the reason why the question was being submitted was because the jury was working on a verdict for their dearly beloved, JA?

Fourth: It is NOT the duty of the court to delay proceedings, especially with a verdict, JUST BECAUSE some visitor to the court wishes it. Did the JA family really expect to hold up the court just because they DECIDED to take a "little vacation" to the Grand Canyon? Surely, this side trip could have waited until Friday, when the court is dark, or even until the weekend.

I am truly understanding the problem of JA. It begins with the lack of logical processing skills demonstrated by her idiotic family. The nut still falls closest to the tree it was launched from.

IF they made dumb choices in the past I am betting they will continue to make dumb choices in the future. Those brain cells appear pretty fried to me!

(Here are RC, we had members worried re missing the verdict. Thousands of miles away, they were concerned enough to re-schedule activities so they could stay close to the media. Strangely, none of these individuals had a dog in the race. JA's family, on the other hand, found it more important to go site seeing!!)

Had Nurmi been wise, neither he nor Wilmot would have immediately entered the court. They would have delayed, if possible, until the Arias family was present. After all, the court session could not have begun without the presence of her attys--- one or both. However, IF the Arias family WAS miles down the road, it would not have mattered. To delay the court more than 30 minutes may have brought sanctions against the atttys.

I can not believe how stupid this Arias family acts. Air-less. As in FLAT TIRE!

BTW, I have to wonder. At a cost of probably a thousand or two thousand dollars an hour for ALL the attys, court personnel, etc., just how long did the Arias family think the court should wait on their special butts to arrive?
What Aria-gance!

auman58 wrote:

keikikiki wrote:I need Mari's wisdom right about now.

Just sad right now. The relief on the demon's face just chaps me to my bones.

Nah, this just prolongs her agony, not knowing is torture.

BBM
You are spot on! JA now has to start ALL over trying to figure out to to play the newer jury. Good luck on that one!

This jury HAD to have been absolutely exhausted. We know how tired we are and we have been given more info and permitted to emote these past months.

A big round of applause for the jury bringing in the first verdict of PRE-MEDITATED MURDER. A second round of applause for the jury bringing in AGGRAVATING FACTORS.
As for the MITIGATING FACTORS?? Well, at least they did NOT settle down!

No matter what, JA is going to have her eyes opened to what obedience to the law means. She is going to discover LIES won't play in ANY society, not even in the jail or the prison. And she is going to discover the meaning of LONELINESS when her family can't visit her or call her whenever she feels... lonely. The scourge of the earth will discover what it is to be shunned.

Think she misses her camera yet? A car or a house or grabbing a snack at mid-night? Think she misses long showers or coloring her hair? How about sending texts or calling potential bfs at one AM? Even Donavan has been told to leave off the friendship...

I will be honest. I don't understand what was so difficult in rendering a verdict. This last phase ONLY took a preponderance of the evidence. That was it! Nothing heavier to think about than do I think there are redeemable qualities or not. Sssh. Tookie Williams won prizes for his writings and was executed. JA isn't that talented, folks!

Scroll down for a list of the many books Williams wrote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Williams

How hard finding a new jury? Not, according to this source:
http://www.kpho.com/story/22420146/former-judge-not-impossible-to-find-impartial-arias-jury

"... Judge Cole told CBS 5 News that just because you know about the case, doesn't mean you can't be a good juror.

"There will be people on the next jury panel that will have heard things about the case, read things about it, and talked to neighbors," said Cole. "The crucial question is whether they can put aside whatever knowledge they have about the case and decide the case based on what they see and hear in the courtroom."

There's also debate on whether the trial might have to be moved to a new venue.

Judge Cole said that with 4 million people living in Maricopa County, the judge in the Arias case will likely make every attempt to find prospective jurors here, especially since moving the trial could be a logistical nightmare for court staff, attorneys and the victim's family.

Only after it became clear that an impartial jury could not be found would the case be moved to another location, Cole said...."

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Jury foreman says life or death decision unfair

By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press
Updated 5:32 pm, Friday, May 24, 2013

PHOENIX (AP) — They were 12 ordinary citizens who didn't oppose the death penalty. But unlike spectators outside the courthouse who followed the case like a daytime soap opera and jumped to demand Jodi Arias' execution, the jurors faced a decision that was wrenching and real, with implications that could haunt them forever.

In an interview Friday, jury foreman William Zervakos provided a glimpse into the private deliberations, describing four women and eight men who struggled with the question: How heinous of a killing deserves a similar fate?

"The system we think is flawed in that sense because this was not a case of a Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson," Zervakos told The Associated Press.

~Snipped~


Zervakos described a deliberations room full of tears and spinning moral compasses as each juror struggled to come to grips with their own beliefs about what factors — including Arias' young age at the time of the killing and her lack of criminal history — should cause them to show mercy and spare her life.

"You've got Travis Alexander's family devastated, that he was killed, that he was brutally killed. You've got Jodi Arias' family sitting in there, both families sitting and seeing these humiliating images and listening to unbelievably lurid private details of their lives, and you've got a woman whose life is over, too," Zervakos said. "I mean, who's winning in this situation? And we were stuck in the middle."

Read more:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/Jury-foreman-says-life-or-death-decision-unfair-4545378.php#ixzz2UMFjUzOZ

A RANT I WISH THESE JURORS COULD READ~
I think this foreman is an idiot---and a whiner. I am sorry but I do. I blame the laws in part for their failure to allow the prosecution to present ALL the facts of the case. The defense is allowed to present all manner of truly ridiculous pap in the name of "mitigation" of the defendant, not to mention the huge lies about Travis---NON EXISTENT slander that made up most of their case!

In the first place, Jodi was no kid when she killed Travis. She was in her late 20's. I'll bet if you looked at statistics, most murders are committed when killers are in their 20's and 30's. I STILL MAINTAIN THAT IF THIS WERE A MAN, THE DEATH PENALTY WOULD HAVE BEEN A NO BRAINER.

Mercy? Mercy? This jury really had misplaced sentiments, and have attributed to Jodi a level of humanity that SHE DOES NOT POSSESS.
Almost everyone of Travis' friends who met Jodi could sense that she was "not right", that she was "bad news" and many warned him----not one or two people, but many!
Some had reactions of her being "off" to downright "evil", but almost all said she was MANIPULATIVE.
This is a person who was bad news and exhibiting psychotic behavior for many years before Travis came into her life. She was a liar and a stalker long before she met him.

This jury was not shown in no uncertain terms that Travis was NOT abusive; that the few times he lost it with Jodi, he called her things because of HER ABUSE OF HIM! SHE was the stalker. SHE was the manipulator. She lied repeatedly, sneaked around and spied on him, slashed tires, went behind his back invading his bank info, emails, and phone calls. It was only AFTER she had done this to him over and over that he got hurt, angry and felt betrayed and used and called her on it! Sure, it would have been nice if the prosecution could have presented some more evidence for this that was precluded, but I 'got' it. I think most of us 'got' it from what did come out in court.
In all of her original journals and in the police interrogation tapes, and in conversations, Jodi never said anything about Travis except how wonderful he was, how amazing, and how much she loved him. She said he never had a gun. She went on and on about his virtues and exemplary qualities. IT WAS ONLY AFTER SHE WAS REJECTED BY HIM AND KILLED HIM THAT SHE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HIM THAT WAS NEGATIVE, AND BEGAN HER 'SMEAR' CAMPAIGN. This jury should have been smart enough to see this.

Sorry but these jurors failed. I think that most of this info was there if they bothered to look, but they let sympathy for Jodi blind them to WHAT SHE TRULY IS!

I wish---I hope that these jurors will now take the time to see all the interrogation tapes, the in-jail interviews, and hear Chris and Skye Hughes on the talk radio show tell the story of their friendship with Travis, their experiences with Jodi, and the emails they wrote.
I hope they will all take the time to see and read interviews with other men Jodi attempted to manipulate or use, with people she actually did confront and threaten, and with people who witnessed first hand her lies and a dark and soulless side of her. I hope they hear all about the forged 'pedophile letters', and other insidious and truly evil things Jodi has done to Travis and to his family.

Lack of criminal history? Just because Jodi didn't snap and kill someone before is hardly a reason for mercy for this monster. Even Jack the ripper had a 'first time'. Some people have NO conscience. They are not capable of empathy or mercy for anyone else. They live their entire lives using, manipulating, and lying to others to get what they want. Some people are just bad or evil through and through and they NEVER CHANGE. Jodi Arias is one of these people.

I don't think these jurors really listened to Dr. De Marte. If her testimony were not as censored as it was she probably could have really laid it on the line, but even so, she tried to get across these facts. She made it clear that Jodi doesn't have real emotions, and 'mirrors' what she sees in others. Her actions are often wildly inappropriate and always, always self-serving.

Jodi is a stone-cold killer who does NOT deserve mercy. The factors mentioned by the foreman are ridiculous, and pale in comparison to her heinous actions---and some of those jurors couldn't SEE THAT?!
UGH. I am disgusted with them. They say they didn't find her believable, and yet THEY CHOSE (SOME OF THEM) TO BELIEVE SOME OF HER LIES, while dismissing others. They let emotion for the WRONG person get in the way, as they looked through rose colored glasses at someone who THEY CONVINCED THEMSELVES was a woman possibly able to be 'rehabilitated'. This guy says the system was flawed, because he felt he was in the middle between a rock and hard place. Oh boo hoo---NO WAY. YOU didn't really look at all the facts, Mr. Foreman (and the other jurors who feel this way). You had a JOB to do. You weren't supposed to be doing that at that point in the first place! The verdict and cruelty factors had already been ajudictated. YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO WEIGH HER 'MITIGATING FACTORS' AGAINST HER VICIOUS PRE-MEDITATED SLAUGHTER OF A MAN---(A MAN SHE HAD BEEN EMOTIONALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY TERRORIZING AND SEXUALLY MANIPULATING!)

I am more than sick at the NON-decision that they have come to. I am sickened at some of their rationales. I hope with all my heart that they DO seek out ALL the facts with regard to Jodi and Travis, and I hope that they are truly, truly horrified by her when they do.

Okay this Jury Foreman needs to STFU!

Every new thing he says is more illogical than the last!
I'm even thinking he may have thought the Judge declared a Mistrial for THE WHOLE TRIAL and not just the penalty phase...?
He sounds clueless and in a FOG.

And last but not least...HE IS ACTING LIKE HE IS SPEAKING FOR THE WHOLE JURY
Listen pal, just because you put your personal feelings ahead of the facts doesn't give you the right to pontificate for the 8 that didn't!
I don't know if he is milking his '15 Minutes' or angling to be the one who next interviews " that frail, little girl"
(psst- she's 32 dude )

Thank God Thank God Thank God this guy didn't hang them
in the Guilt phase!
And hat's off to the 8 that had the COURAGE and fortitude to Follow the Law.

Oh, in case people here don't know yet, this Foreman apparently is a 'semi-public- figure in Phoenix...
he hosts a Radio Program dealing with cars in some way,
probably antiques and collectables cause Phoenix is big for that...Barret Jackson auction and all.

THIS^ is why I speculate on the interview angle.

glazier wrote:Okay this Jury Foreman needs to STFU!

Every new thing he says is more illogical than the last!
I'm even thinking he may have thought the Judge declared a Mistrial for THE WHOLE TRIAL and not just the penalty phase...?
He sounds clueless and in a FOG.

And last but not least...HE IS ACTING LIKE HE IS SPEAKING FOR THE WHOLE JURY
Listen pal, just because you put your personal feelings ahead of the facts doesn't give you the right to pontificate for the 8 that didn't!
I don't know if he is milking his '15 Minutes' or angling to be the one who next interviews " that frail, little girl"
(psst- she's 32 dude )

Thank God Thank God Thank God this guy didn't hang them
in the Guilt phase!
And hat's off to the 8 that had the COURAGE and fortitude to Follow the Law.

Agree, agree, agree!

glazier wrote:
I don't know if he is milking his '15 Minutes' or angling to be the one who next interviews " that frail, little girl"
(psst- she's 32 dude )

Well, she does come across as a pissy, rude teenager.

If I were on this jury and this happened, I would probably take a jodi-free weekend and then investigate what we didn't hear. I think they will be appalled. My only hope is that since it has garnered so much attention, people on the next jury (if there is one) will be less likely to look at her like a 'young girl'. I know they can only use what is presented to them, but its the old ' you can't unring the bell' theory. They will know and hopefully, if emotions get in the way, those emotions are the ones that will rule the day.